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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby nazanian on Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:29 am

Can anybody explain the mechanism of the benefits on Alzheimers desease?
Coconut oil increases LDL levels which produces abnormal brain blood circulation and alteration of brain blood vessels.
Please excuse my limited English.

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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby Lizistired on Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:29 am

Thanks for the David Diamond link Jan. I'm sending it to my stubborn friends.

Here is the link to Dr Newports website if it isn't on here yet. The 700 club video is a pretty good summary. it's shorter and more recent. January 2012 I think. Her Blog has tons of other research updates.
http://www.coconutketones.com/media.html

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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby Slartybartfast on Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:53 am

nazanian wrote:Can anybody explain the mechanism of the benefits on Alzheimers desease?
Coconut oil increases LDL levels which produces abnormal brain blood circulation and alteration of brain blood vessels.


Here's another one: http://www.accerapharma.com/energymetabolism.html

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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby Emilia on Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:03 am

nazanian wrote:Can anybody explain the mechanism of the benefits on Alzheimers desease?
Coconut oil increases LDL levels which produces abnormal brain blood circulation and alteration of brain blood vessels.



Another book, just published, on the benefits of VCO and Alzheimer's: http://piccadillybooks.com/stop-alzheimers-now.htm I have not read this one, but Dr. Fife's other books are good. I presume, since he and Dr. Newport know each other, he is supporting and verifying her work as well as his own.

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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby JeffH on Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:48 am

nazanian wrote:Can anybody explain the mechanism of the benefits on Alzheimers desease?
Coconut oil increases LDL levels which produces abnormal brain blood circulation and alteration of brain blood vessels.


Where you get getting that information?

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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby nazanian on Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:40 pm

JeffH wrote:
nazanian wrote:Can anybody explain the mechanism of the benefits on Alzheimers desease?
Coconut oil increases LDL levels which produces abnormal brain blood circulation and alteration of brain blood vessels.


Where you get getting that information?


You can find it easily in the net.
I guess there is no cientifical research study on that relation of Alzheimer and coconut oil.
Anyway, too much oil intake produces overweight, and that makes obstructive apnea worse.
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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby Emilia on Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:43 pm

Lots to read and watch here: http://www.coconutresearchcenter.org/articles.htm#coconut%20information

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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby Slartybartfast on Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:51 pm

nazanian wrote:
JeffH wrote:
nazanian wrote:Can anybody explain the mechanism of the benefits on Alzheimers desease?
Coconut oil increases LDL levels which produces abnormal brain blood circulation and alteration of brain blood vessels.


Where you get getting that information?


You can find it easily in the net.
I guess there is no cientifical research study on that relation of Alzheimer and coconut oil.
Anyway, too much oil intake produces overweight, and that makes obstructive apnea worse.


Huh. Interesting. You asked where we got our information and we kindly provide you with several references.
But when JeffH asks you the same question about your assertion, you blow him off and conclude that there IS no evidence without even, it would seem, looking through the references you were provided.

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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby nazanian on Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:00 pm



Emilia, none of those are scientifical research studies, which need some specific steps in order to say something is true. Once something is proved true, worldwide medicine publish it automatically, not only in a coconut oil research page. I would be very carefull using an oil that has so much LDL which is no good for blood circulation. And our brains work from blood vessels. Good luck.

Slartybartfast, Coconut oil is one of the oils that produces more lipoproteins of low density level. A high level of these in blood makes easier arteriosclerosis development. There is a dementia caused from ischemia due to arteriosclerosis: Vascular dementia. And many Alzheimers dementias are a in fact mix of both. These are facts that you can find everywhere in the net, not only in a specific page. Thats why I said he could find it easily, because these facts are supported by scientifical research since some decades ago.
I am not trying to sell you another oil instead.
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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby Slartybartfast on Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:46 pm

nazanian wrote:


Emilia, none of those are scientifical research studies, which need some specific steps in order to say something is true. Once something is proved true, worldwide medicine publish it automatically, not only in a coconut oil research page. I would be very carefull using an oil that has so much LDL which is no good for blood circulation. And our brains work from blood vessels. Good luck.

Slartybartfast, Coconut oil is one of the oils that produces more lipoproteins of low density level. A high level of these in blood makes easier arteriosclerosis development. There is a dementia caused from ischemia due to arteriosclerosis: Vascular dementia. And many Alzheimers dementias are a in fact mix of both. These are facts that you can find everywhere in the net, not only in a specific page. Thats why I said he could find it easily, because these facts are supported by scientifical research since some decades ago.
I am not trying to sell you another oil instead.



Thank you for the clarification. However a lot of the information widely available on the internet is not current. That's what the whole low-carb eating phenomenon is all about.

Association is not causation. There are many other factors involved in plaque deposition such as the quality and character of the HDL and LDL particles, inflammatory markers, etc. that have emerged more recently. Some more references:


http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/latest-studies-on-coconut-oil

http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/new-look-at-coconut-oil

http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/land-of-oz-attack-on-coconut-oil

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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby ozij on Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:52 pm

Nazanian,
Please show us links to randomized controlled studies that support your position.
Not to observational studies, not to reviews, not to political recommendations. Randomize cotrolled studes that give support to your statements.
I found the following facts on the internet, in randomized cotroled studies:

LDL-C is not a a good predictor of atherosclerosis.

Eating saturated fat raises your HDL. And changes the size of LDL particles to the benign large ones.

You will find links to support my statement in my recent threads on this forum. Search for them. Study them - it may have a big impact on your health.

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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby nazanian on Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:38 pm

The fact about the relation between LDL and atherogenesis is known a quarter of a century ago, as it says in MEDSCAPE:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/545401_2

Here you have another link in GOOGLE ACADEMIC where it relates 378 000 links about this relation:
http://scholar.google.es/scholar?q=ldl+ ... CB0QgQMwAA

Alzheimer is a very painful illness for patients and families. Hope is good for living. But I would not deposit my hope on something which may be harmful on the matter I try to improve.
By the way, inflamatory answer is reaction of lipid deposit on blood vessel walls.

Thanks for being worried about my health. This will not be the place where I say which kind of oil I use. Again: I am not trying to sell you another kind of oil.

Sorry, but I just wanted to say the scientifical truth to the forum about this. And I already did. Good luck.
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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby Janknitz on Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:59 pm

The fact about the relation between LDL and atherogenesis is known a quarter of a century ago, as it says in MEDSCAPE:


OK but where are the studies linking intake of coconut oil in particular to the small particle atherogenic LDL???

See this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/dinin ... wanted=all . The coconut oil vilified for its atherogenic properties was HYDROGENATED-- we are not talking about hydrogenated coconut oil here. There is no evidence that unhydrogenated coconut oil is atherogenic.

I agree with you that the benefits of CO for Alzheimer's and other health issues are largely anecdotal, but I see no evidence of any harmful effects that would concern me enough to avoid it.

There's plenty of evidence that good dietary fats (saturated and mono-unsaturated) do NOT raise LDL and triglycerides. Read Gary Taubes NY tImes article "What if it's all a big, fat lie?" and follow his references for plenty of scientific ("scientifical" is not a word in English BTW) evidence.
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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby nazanian on Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:41 am

Janknitz wrote:
The fact about the relation between LDL and atherogenesis is known a quarter of a century ago, as it says in MEDSCAPE:


OK but where are the studies linking intake of coconut oil in particular to the small particle atherogenic LDL???

See this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/dinin ... wanted=all . The coconut oil vilified for its atherogenic properties was HYDROGENATED-- we are not talking about hydrogenated coconut oil here. There is no evidence that unhydrogenated coconut oil is atherogenic.



I agree with you that the benefits of CO for Alzheimer's and other health issues are largely anecdotal, but I see no evidence of any harmful effects that would concern me enough to avoid it.

There's plenty of evidence that good dietary fats (saturated and mono-unsaturated) do NOT raise LDL and triglycerides. Read Gary Taubes NY tImes article "What if it's all a big, fat lie?" and follow his references for plenty of scientific ("scientifical" is not a word in English BTW) evidence.


Here you ahve a atherosclerosis journal link of an abstract study from where I extract for you two sentences: http://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/article/0021-9150(88)90142-6/abstract

1-"Average plasma cholesterol was twice as high in the coconut oil/cholesterol-fed rabbits than in olive oil/cholesterol-fed rabbits."
2-"Aortic cholesterol increased in proportion to plasma cholesterol concentrations ."

Another link from American Heart Association: http://atvb.ahajournals.org/content/7/5/441.short
1- "The aortas of both fish-oil groups (II or III) contained significantly less cholesterol (total, free, and esterified), as well as less acid lipase, cholesteryl esterase, and ACAT activities when compared to the coconut-oil group."
2- "Microscopically, the aortic and carotid artery lesions were smaller in cross-sectional area and in thickness, and contained less macrophages in the fish-oil groups (II and III) when compared to the coconut-oil group"

In the case of use of non hydrogenated coconut oil (Coconut oil is hydrogenated; I ignore dehydrogenation process but imagine pretty expensive) it will have to be on scientific studies and published in medical journals so I can believe its benefits and lack of harm effects, in order to use it.

Thanks for correcting me.
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Re: O.T.: Coconut Oil and Alzheimer's/Dementia

Postby ozij on Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:02 am

:shock:
Sorry. I $31 for the full version of a study done on rabbits and published in 1988.

I am not a rabbit. I would not do well on rabbit food, and therefore have no reason to assume any research on rabbits eating oil is relevant for me as a human being.

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