This Site Should Be Taken Down

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Post by roster » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:02 pm

thefivefingeredhand wrote:Interesting opinion you got there. I just saw my doctor (sleep specialist) recently. I told him that I downloaded everything about the machine from the internet and that I was adjusting my own pressure. He said fine, just don't blow your head off with it and when you find the best pressure for you call me and let me know what it is and I'll tell the DME so they won't be on your case about it.

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Excellent. You are one of the rare lucky ones to have such a great doc!

BTW, Your brother, One, passed me in traffic today. .

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Post by WearyOne » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:04 pm

Oh, can I play, too?!?

Treesap and Echo, the weather here has been lovely of late, usually bombarded with that burdensome East Coast humidity. So nice to have the reduction in that and in temperature. And we've actually had a decent amount of rain this summer, too.

It's nice to have these little chats about the weather, isn't it?

Oh, Treesap, I used to have a client in San Diego. She was always bragging about the weather there---I was so jealous!

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Re: This Site Should Be Taken Down

Post by sharon1965 » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:07 pm

rooster wrote:
thefivefingeredhand wrote:Interesting opinion you got there. I just saw my doctor (sleep specialist) recently. I told him that I downloaded everything about the machine from the internet and that I was adjusting my own pressure. He said fine, just don't blow your head off with it and when you find the best pressure for you call me and let me know what it is and I'll tell the DME so they won't be on your case about it.
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Excellent. You are one of the rare lucky ones to have such a great doc!
BTW, Your brother, One, passed me in traffic today. .
incidentally, last september, i showed my sleep doc my reports and told him i had increased my own pressure, he was fine with that; in january i had another titration, where they increased the pressure even more, and he asked me who adjusts my machine for me; i told him i do and he said, "ok, bump it up to 10 and we'll see how that goes"...didn't even bat an eye

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Post by roster » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:25 pm

My doc titrated me at 19. My software pretty much confirmed this at home.

I am a backsleeper and retitrated at home while forcing myself to sidesleep. It only takes 8.5 cm to consistently achieve AHI < 1.0.

On a recent visit to the doc, I gave her an update. She discussed my situation at length and asked me to see her again in six months for another discussion. She was glad that I could do the home titration and adjust my own pressure. She's no idiot like some other person who started this thread.


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Post by deerslayer » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:35 pm

I have a 1 year sleep eval coming up in oct....if Geraldine requests i bring in the machine, think i'll take the craptop in instead.....no ones takin me machine copers, SEE you dirty rat................(tommygun inserted here)

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Post by Moby » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:50 pm

Here in Oz it's midwinter, and a very wet and stormy time we've had of it in my part of this vast continent. The retaining walls in my back yard have finally admitted defeat, so there is a sea of mud, which is something I have never seen in this part of the world before. The pergola gave up the ghost, and the trees had termites.

So I have a clean slate to redesign - something "waterwise" ironically, as water is scarce and precious (usually). I hope to get some water storage tanks soon, I regret not having any everytime the water pours down the gutters.


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Post by Moby » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:02 pm

The bush flowers are emerging, we have already had some little orchids.
My very favourite flower is the delicate semishade loving twiner "hardenbergia". The photos don't do it justice, in shade it looks like blue fire

http://florabase.calm.wa.gov.au/science ... 816ic1.jpg

here is another link to more Ozzie wildflowers

http://shorl.com/tikagritarifo

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Post by Bonnie » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:32 pm

Moby, beautiful flowers....thanks for sharing........ I love the Hardenberga and the Longiflora is outstanding.

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Post by Babette » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:37 pm

Hey Moby, you should call that cool Aussie TV show where they come in and "green you up" and you win lots of money for saving all kinds of energy. I caught it on BBC. They could install some nice water reclamation tanks for you.

Besides, I just want to see you on TV.

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Post by SleepyNoMore » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:53 pm

GUEST,

You say this site should be TAKEN DOWN and YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT A DOCTOR, yea right!

If it wasn't for this site I would be screwed, I have NO SLEEP DOCTOR'S in my TOWN, I was given a michine , mask, and hose and sent the HELL HOME and I was and still am ON MY OWN for making all of my DECISIONS about MY OWN THERAPY without thwe help of ANYONE except the PRO'S of this "GREAT FORUM", seems to me that you are just a "BORED and GRUMPY OLD FART" that loves to fight, go somewhere else to raise HELL, leave us and our therapy to US!

If you aren't a Doctor or a DME, why would you say we need to leave our Therapy up to the Doctor? Sounds to me like it PISSES YOU OFF because we are doing a better job/OR JUST AS GOOD as the OLD DOC and "THE OLD DOC" is loosing MONEY on the old "OFFICE VISITS"!

Could that be the flippin case???????

You've smarted off enough, now like one here said, "IT'S TIME TO LEAVE, DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YA IN THE A@! ON THE WAY OUT!!!



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Doc is cool w my changes

Post by Captain_Midnight » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:20 pm

5ffh writes..I just saw my doctor (sleep specialist) recently. I told him that I downloaded everything about the machine from the internet and that I was adjusting my own pressure. He said fine...

Along the same lines, poster Sharon writes... i showed my sleep doc my reports and told him i had increased my own pressure, he was fine with that...

And, my experience mirrors that of the above. My doc (Board certified pulmonologist) and also his associate with the same credentials were impressed with the mini-report I gave them showing pressures v AHI results. There was no criticism of my decision to make prudent modifications to my originally prescribed pressure range. I'm fortunate to have such capable, caring, and adult docs. (But I'm sure that there are many more out there.)

In my opinion, I could not have done this pressure optimization successfully without a data-capable machine as well as the wealth of background info that I learned on this board.

As a sidebar, I tend to view the medical establishment a bit more benevolent than do some patients; however, many docs are not quite up-to-date on the topics involved with OSA diagnosis and treatment. Honestly, I can't think of a greater concentration of empirically-derived OSA therapy enhancement information than one might find right here.

And, as further a sidebar, I suspect that many xPAP manufacturers and sleep researchers spend some quality lurking time right here on this forum.


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Post by mindy » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:31 pm

Thanks for the flower pics, Moby - they are lovely!

Treesap has the right idea with that great cartoon

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Re: This Site Should Be Taken Down

Post by alnhwrd » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:58 pm

This post is not for the original poster, but for the new cpap user who might be here just starting on his journey.

No one, not a Dr., sleep tech, or DME employee will care as much as I do about my health. Therefore, I am the one to decide the best course of action in regards to my health. I, and almost everyone on this site, have the intelligence and determination to make valid informed choices, knowing full well the risks, (which are minimal, I have yet to read an obituary that says "Poor Bob, he died because his cpap pressure was set too high"!) and benefits of adjusting our own pressure. Successful Cpap treatment is an art as much as a science. Its not like treating an infection where you take a pill three times a day for two weeks and you are cured. Its a work in progress for many, with lots of variables that each individual must adjust to maximize the benefit of his or her treatment.

IMHO, it is far more dangerous to drive than change ones pressure, but we do it everyday. I drive 30 miles to work. My car is going 70 MPH one way and I am about 10 feet away from a couple of hundred cars going 70 MPH the other direction. A few minutes inattention or malice on someone's part would result in chaos and death for dozens. And yet, knowing all this, the state lets me and everyone else out on the road drive, and we make the informed decision to do so and accept the inherent risk. If I can be trusted to operate a two ton vehicle at 70 mph, why can't I be trusted to change my own cpap pressures? Your argument is akin to someone going to a travel site and demanding it be taken down because people are encouraging others to drive their cars, putting themselves and others at risk from death by a motor vehicle accident. The same argument can be made for making house repairs, skiing, hunting, boating, or just leaving the house. All of these activities have some risks, most far more than changing pressure on a cpap machine, and yet intelligent people make informed potienal advantage versus possible risk based decisions to participate in them every single day.

Consider how unwieldy and ineffective it would be to actually do as you propose. One would need a weekly visit from a nurse/Doc/sleep tech to check data and make adjustments for at least the first three to six months, if not longer, and then two to four visits a year for the rest of their life just to maintain. The sleep medicine industry is not capable of supporting this level of care, not to mention the cost to the insurance system and consumer. There are not enough health care professionals to get the job that you, and others like you who insist their way is the only way to do things, want them done.

No one is obligated or coerced into doing anything on this board. Anyone who wants to is completely free to do just as you say and make appointment after appointment with their Doc until they get it just right. The reason most people don't is because that way doesn't work. Making one's own adjustments at home does. I have read countless times on this board about people who have adjusted their pressure and suddenly things are working for them. I have also read many posts from people who kept at their prescribed settings for months getting little or no benefit. Which is better? I think the former is.

In my own case, I increased my pressure a bit, my numbers improved, I increased them a bit more, they were still ok, I increased them more and they got worse so I knew where my ceiling was and I have kept my pressure below that ever since. I and others will continue to safely experiment with our settings, looking for that perfect mix of pressure, EPR, mask and humidity, and if that makes you crazy or angry, that is no one's fault but your own. CPAP therapy is the gold standard of treatment for simple obstuctive sleep apnea, and self management of care is, in my humble opinion and the opinion of many others far wiser and smarter than I, the gold standard of CPAP therapy. I am confident that time will prove this to be the case.

A final note to the original poster. This site is, in the host's own words, dedicated to the support and encouragement of CPAP users and respectful discussion of issues relating to Cpap use. It is not a place to spew venom and use foul language. If you feel the need to do so, PM me and get it all off your chest, don't put it on a public site.


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Post by JeffH » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:11 pm

My GF Patty has been on the hose a week and a half now. Do you think any Doc's office has given her a call to see how it's going...LMAO....no.

With my help, and I got all that help on this forum, so I'm sure not taking credit, she has gone from a first nite AHI of 15 to averaging between 1.5 and 3.5 in the first week and a half.

Great work, forum!

Sorry job Sleep Industry.

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Post by DreamStalker » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:16 pm

Good post alnhwrd.

I was thinking that maybe someone could compile a thread of members posting on how the sleep health industry failed in treating their OSA condition and how they ended up on this forum.

IMO - sleep industry does ok on diagnosing but almost always fumble the ball on treatment. I also think the fumbles are due to the way these sleep professionals view the patients ... just like the idiot guest that started the thread.
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