Next Generation of Machine Deisgn: PR S2's and Resmed S10's

[space45]

I PMed him and told him his thread came back to life and invited him back as well.
hate to see good guys leave. would like to see a group of ideas guys come together and work to make things better.
BTW the companies do hit a good size target soft spot for the best $$$ return. that does not mean there are LARGE number that fall outside the companies targeted section of the bell curve. for guys happy with how things are we, (the designers in the group) do not need to hear how happy you are with the statics quo and how you think no one should mess with your being happy with what you have. we are not messing with your happiness, we are looking at making more happy by expanding the amount of people that have what they need and want with new ideas and designs. nothing against what is being produced right now as it does do a great job for lots of people. but one does have to admit there is room for improvement big time.

let the designers and ideas people unit...LOL it is easy to tare down something, say mean things or be negative, look at what was said to the Wright brothers. we think we have it bad here in the forum, they were really hit hard with naysayers and negative comments and attitudes. where would we be now if they listened to the naysayers and quit?

BTW CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is more then welcome.

[Judge Nap]

The bag should be large enough that I can discreetly take my cat onboard.

[Sir NoddinOff]

Lately there's been several quixotic posts about proposed changes to the various machines or even whole new machine designs... some decent ideas and some bad ones. That being said, my hat's off to anybody willing to think outside the box, however I can't say that I've seen anything put forward that's groundbreaking enough to make lots of $$$$. Just my two cents worth.

[space45]

it is not always about money, sometimes it is about doing the right thing to help others.
one of the problems with medical stuff in general is some get left out in the cold. your not a big enough market to be worth anyone's while. that I do think is a tad unfair, try being one of the ones not inside the cookie cutter, or right on the extreme edge where things work sort of but not really. is it fair to say you do not count? I know hard facts of life and all, got to draw the line somewhere, but if you were one of the ones out in the cold, would you not welcome a helping hand to make things better for you?

some times rules and regulations can do more harm then good, in this case I can not see why there has to be a large expense and a script to have a extremely light pressure applied to your face.

no harm can come of it, make sure there is a fail safe so one can breath when power fails or machine messes up, put other then that your good to go. just a thought.

[chunkyfrog]

It is enough about money to determine whether or not it will get done.
Just the way it is.

[Judge Nap]

I know hard facts of life and all

If you are speaking of for-profit organizations and markets, it's not the "hard" facts of life. It's the absolutely fantastic wonderful facts of life. For-profit businesses/market-based economies have lifted billions out of poverty and brought in my lifetime a medical technology to the masses that was previously unimaginable.

Charities, while they are important and are our duty, will never approach the scale of capitalism. Socialism and socialistic programs impede progress.

The only complaint you can have about capitalism is that it can't make everyone rich fast enough. But everywhere it is given a chance, it is moving quickly in that direction.

[space45]

I know hard facts of life and all

If you are speaking of for-profit organizations and markets, it's not the "hard" facts of life. It's the absolutely fantastic wonderful facts of life. For-profit businesses/market-based economies have lifted billions out of poverty and brought in my lifetime a medical technology to the masses that was previously unimaginable.

Charities, while they are important and are our duty, will never approach the scale of capitalism. Socialism and socialistic programs impede progress.

The only complaint you can have about capitalism is that it can't make everyone rich fast enough. But everywhere it is given a chance, it is moving quickly in that direction.

could not agree with you more. I preach capitalism to any and all that will listen. my worry is when it comes to things needed, like food and medical things it can get to be heartless is all. some get left for Darwin to take care of, their body type or type of problem or disease does not warrant the investments of money and time. a tad heartless, that is the cold hard facts. I am 100% capitalism for things you want, or would like. but when your forced into getting something you need for good health, well paying what the market will bear takes on a whole new meaning.

if you were in a disaster area and I had a truck load of fresh clean water drinking water. what should I charged? I could sell it cheap and sell the whole truckload and make some money. or if it is a rich area or has a rich guy in it and for some reason he can not leave, like wife or kids pined or trapped or he is and the wife and get the money, but can get water to them. I could get rich by holding him hostage for water. he pays 50 million dollars for the truckload or every one dies. if he had the money and really loved his wife and kids or he was the one stuck, he would pay. the market will bear that cost, right place right time, right product. but is it the right thing to do. I say no, I would in that case sell for around cost or if I could afford it, give it away. that is the right thing to do.

I have no problems with biz making money, even money on things you need like food, grocery stores are great, it all works as long as the company in the "things we need biz" factor in the right thing to do part of things then great. but gouging is not good. that is all. the gov make med equipment extremely expensive by rules and regs. some are needed but most are not. pure capitalism will weed out the bad ones and reward the good ones. but when rules and regs get in the way of things and you have quasi capitalism you have a bad thing going on.

BTW I am not fan of Socialism and socialistic programs. it is my belief that large numbers of rules and regs are a big part of Socialism and socialistic programs. thinking the gov knows best, when the market really knows best, more so with the net. that is one wonderful and powerful bit of tech kit. the gov should do as little as possible and let other fill the need. even policing should be for profit and the public vote on who gets the contract. the bids are tendered and made public and they have 1 to 3 months to think and talk it over and then vote on who gets it. say every 4 years or so, but with a cancellation clause so bad ones can get the boot before terms end with out any penalties.

mixing capitalism and gov is very bad. companies buy power and guys in charge, simple fact, supply and demand, we supply the guy for sale by giving him power over us and others buy him so they get what they want. indirect slavery. we sell our souls for a feeling of comfort and safety by trusting others will do the right thing, what is best for "we the people" as that is what we hired them for. but anyone who has been in charge of others and hired them to do a job knows very few will do the job they are hired for. and if they can use your resources to make money for them selves they more then likely will. I have fired more then my fair share for doing just that.

when you vote, realize your voting in a lying cheating thief and all of the ones he has working for him are the same and them give power according to that belief and you will have a great government.
not saying all gov workers are, but if we gave out power over us like they are, we would live free and die happy. also the pace of advancement would be several times faster then what we are at now. the gov is a weight at drags us down and slows things down.

[Judge Nap]

if you were in a disaster area and I had a truck load of fresh clean water drinking water. what should I charged? I could sell it cheap and sell the whole truckload and make some money. or if it is a rich area or has a rich guy in it and for some reason he can not leave, like wife or kids pined or trapped or he is and the wife and get the money, but can get water to them. I could get rich by holding him hostage for water. he pays 50 million dollars for the truckload or every one dies.

When I see you dream up a hypothetical like this one, it is easy to tell you have no education in basic economics. I will not attempt to educate someone like you, but a case like you present is in most basic economic textbooks and if you read it you will see you came to exactly the wrong conclusion. An unencumbered market works better than any other system in normal times and in times of crisis.

get left for Darwin to take care of, their body type or type of problem or disease does not warrant the investments of money and time. a tad heartless, that is the cold hard facts.

You are whining that certain things available to the masses aren't available to every single individual. These things would not be available to the masses if it were not for market-based economies.

Again, you are whining because capitalism doesn't make everyone rich quick enough. But there is no system that makes as many people rich as quickly as capitalism.

Capitalism is also the engine of charity.

[space45]

we do agree, for the most part. I do not need a lesson in basic economics, I know it well. I am trying to equate the apnea machine to the water where gov regs and costs of such has made it a place where the apnea machine makers have a environment of easy money and not needing to deal with end users and make things better for them.

thing is capitalism needs competition and gov rules and regs kill that. like my water example, that 50 mill deal ONLY works if I am the only water truck around.
if gov can kill competition then the market is open for abuse. the high cost of getting into a market because of gov regs and rules can be a safe haven for the ones in the market. greatly limits others from entering that market space thus driving up costs and lowering service and innovation.

BTW I am not whining. just saying that in today's version of capitalism freezing out competition is fair game, buying law makers and enforcers are also fair game. that to my way of thinking is not fair at all. the rich can buy the law and twist it to there advantage. the law has to be applied equally to every one, it HAS to be blind to who is on trial. black, white, red, pink, purple, rich or poor they are all to get the same deal, but we know that does not happen.

again not whining just stating facts. I am all in hard core capitalist, with just a few gouging and competition laws to make sure someone does not cheat the system, BTW the system is being cheated big time right now. the system we have now days sucks. capitalism by name only

[Judge Nap]

People (like Chris Christie) that use the word "gouging" are sending out a telltale signal that they have serious misunderstandings of basic economics.

[moki]

Hi space45,
I totally get what you're saying and could not agree more. Capitalism is great and is what fuels our economy but there has to be a point where keeping basic things from people who can't afford it is just plain cruel.

[space45]

Hi space45,
I totally get what you're saying and could not agree more. Capitalism is great and is what fuels our economy but there has to be a point where keeping basic things from people who can't afford it is just plain cruel.

keeping basic things from people who can't afford it happens more so in NON capitalistic societies and would be a rare thing in a capitalistic society, as any need is seem as a opportunity by someone and they can and will fill it. also in types of governance like what we have where so many laws and regs stop the small guy from entering into the competition we the people get ripped off. capitalism need competition to work. where some market is to small for the big guys it is perfect for the small guys. every one wins, the customer get choice, the unemployment rate drops as there are more jobs to be had. innovation explodes as there are new guys with new ideas working and exploring new ways to do things. it does work, no one would get left out as there will always be some small company or group working on their needs and filling the need.

I have found I did not explain things well before, like the water idea, my truck would be the same as a large corporation, but anyone with a small or larger bottle of water, that would represent a individual or very small business, could stop me from ripping the poor rich man off by selling or giving him their water. same in biz, if there is someone willing to do it better and cheaper the big guys have a harder time ripping we the people off.

it does work and works very well.