OT - Statins and You

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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Krelvin » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:04 pm

Interesting that my mail order pharmacy keep reminding me to contact my doctor about using statins (which I don't use).

Not sure why they are doing this unless they are getting paid to do so.

I was taken off of statins because
I almost died because of using them 2 years ago. The causes...

Statin Induced Rhabdo Myolsis
Statin induced Myopathy
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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Janknitz » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:58 pm

But to be fair, here is a criticism of the study:
http://www.cebm.net/cebm-response-lack- ... ation-pee/
I think there's some valid points in the criticism, but I don't have enough memory of scientific statistics to address all of their concerns. Nevertheless, I think there is a sufficient lack of evidence for the value of statins as primary prevention, particularly in women that I am quite comfortable with my personal decision not to take them.
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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Janknitz » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:02 pm

Krelvin wrote:Interesting that my mail order pharmacy keep reminding me to contact my doctor about using statins (which I don't use).

Not sure why they are doing this unless they are getting paid to do so.

I was taken off of statins because
I almost died because of using them 2 years ago. The causes...

Statin Induced Rhabdo Myolsis
Statin induced Myopathy
My guess is that there's some governmental or corporate "quality indicator" that requires pharmacists to send these reminders when certain things (other drugs prescribed or diagnostic codes) indicate it. The sad part about this is that may prompt people to ask their doctors for statin prescriptions when they aren't on them already. Imagine the doctor who refuses to prescribe statins--if that patient later has a cardiovascular event, they can sue the doctor for that refusal. So if you go in and ask your doctor for statins because of such pharmacy reminders. you can bet that the patient will walk out with a prescription, needed or not.
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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Julie » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:04 pm

Despite the fact my cholesterol level dropped like a stone in a few wks after starting statins decades ago, I stopped them within a very few years because I believe they were responsible for my gastritis which I'd never had prior to that... I restarted statins for a very short time 20 yrs ago having been told the newer ones were better, but stopped those too within a very short time and... I'm still here . And not sorry at all that I stopped, regardless of where my HDL and LDL levels are. Sometimes you have to do what your MD says you shouldn't if you feel it's right for you (however that sounds in the face of my telling everyone else to see their doctors ).

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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Janknitz » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:47 pm

But Julie, you should listen to THEM because THEY are the professionals. You didn't go to medical school.
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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Holden4th » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:45 am

I did the statin avoidance thing for a long while and ended up with a triple bypass. I know that statins are not ideal. I also know that there other cholesterol drugs out there that work very well but are prohibitively expensive. I've managed to get my levels down to 4.1 using a combination of 10mg of rosuvastatin and 10 mg of ezetimbe which is a drug that reduces cholesterol absorption. I no longer suffer any side effects. I also use kyolic aged garlic which has been shown in university studies to have a very positive effect on cardiac health. It has other benefits as well.

The one thing we must remember is that cholesterol plays a significant part in how our immune system works.

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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by DreamStalker » Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:27 am

Ask your doctor if stupidity is right for you .... or know that:

"This topic bears an upsettingly parallel reality to that of nutrition “science” in that virtually all health care providers have no understanding of it and seem to only reiterate conventional wisdom (e.g., “LDL is bad,” “HDL is good”)."

The straight dope on cholesterol

"By the end of this series, should you choose to internalize this content (and pick up a few homework assignments along the way), you will understand the field of lipidology and advanced lipid testing better than 95% of physicians in the United States." -- Peter Attia

A brief video version:
Dr. Peter Attia - The Straight Dope on Cholesterol and Diet Video Presentation
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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Holden4th » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:45 am

Was your post for me or someone else?
DreamStalker wrote:Ask your doctor if stupidity is right for you .... or know that:

"This topic bears an upsettingly parallel reality to that of nutrition “science” in that virtually all health care providers have no understanding of it and seem to only reiterate conventional wisdom (e.g., “LDL is bad,” “HDL is good”)."

The straight dope on cholesterol

"By the end of this series, should you choose to internalize this content (and pick up a few homework assignments along the way), you will understand the field of lipidology and advanced lipid testing better than 95% of physicians in the United States." -- Peter Attia

A brief video version:
Dr. Peter Attia - The Straight Dope on Cholesterol and Diet Video Presentation

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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Julie » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:51 am

Holden - what makes you think you wouldn't have had to have a bypass even if you'd taken statins? How do you know heredity and/or a 1,000 physiologic causes weren't responsible?

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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by DreamStalker » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:21 am

Holden4th wrote:Was your post for me or someone else?
DreamStalker wrote:Ask your doctor if stupidity is right for you .... or know that:

"This topic bears an upsettingly parallel reality to that of nutrition “science” in that virtually all health care providers have no understanding of it and seem to only reiterate conventional wisdom (e.g., “LDL is bad,” “HDL is good”)."

The straight dope on cholesterol

"By the end of this series, should you choose to internalize this content (and pick up a few homework assignments along the way), you will understand the field of lipidology and advanced lipid testing better than 95% of physicians in the United States." -- Peter Attia

A brief video version:
Dr. Peter Attia - The Straight Dope on Cholesterol and Diet Video Presentation
I cannot presume to know if my previous post was for you or not. Only you can make that decision.

My post was for anyone who is interested in learning what cholesterol is and how it works in the human body since the thread topic is about statins, a drug that affects .... well, cholesterol among other things.
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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Janknitz » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:34 am

Jay asked

But to be fair, here is a criticism of the study [finding higher LDL-C reduces all cause mortality]:
http://www.cebm.net/cebm-response-lack- ... ation-pee/
And here is a criticism of the criticism: https://profgrant.com/2016/06/14/the-ne ... e-elderly/
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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:56 am

Janknitz wrote:Jay asked

But to be fair, here is a criticism of the study [finding higher LDL-C reduces all cause mortality]:
http://www.cebm.net/cebm-response-lack- ... ation-pee/
And here is a criticism of the criticism: https://profgrant.com/2016/06/14/the-ne ... e-elderly/
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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by bwexler » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:01 am

Since I am not an MD, I can't make a recommendation for anyone else, but I will not begin statin therapy until at least two weeks after they burry me.
More than twenty years ago at a family Thanksgiving dinner, my cousin who is a year older than me was laughing at me for taking all the vitamins I was taking. Than the topic changed to his quintuple bypass.
This week my cardiologist shared the results of my stress echoed test. She said I was in good shape and my heart was working better than a lot of folks younger than me.

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Re: OT - Statins and You

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Re: OT - Statins and You

Post by Janknitz » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:42 pm

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