I, for one, am getting pretty tired of reading all of the bickering back and forth.
Its almost like being in grade school again.
Can we just ignore the idiots who post stuff to irritate people. When you give in by replying...YOU FAN THE FLAME!!
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You are right. I feel guilty for fanning the flames as well. I am sorry. I don't feel completely guilty or sorry (for I feel the topics are handy in that they can easily be ignored), but I feel sorry, nonetheless. Forgive us all.....Sleeping With The Enemy wrote:I, for one, am getting pretty tired of reading all of the bickering back and forth.
Its almost like being in grade school again.
Can we just ignore the idiots who post stuff to irritate people. When you give in by replying...YOU FAN THE FLAME!!
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I agree that if one considers a post to be written with nothing more than the intention to irritate and get a rise out of people, best to ignore it.Can we just ignore the idiots who post stuff to irritate people. When you give in by replying...YOU FAN THE FLAME!!
At the risk of being irritating myself, I'll say it again - I didn't find the first guest's post in the "Disturbed A Little" topic to be written with nothing more than an intention to irritate people. I saw it as one person's genunine opinion about the dangers of making cpap/autopap treatment decisions without consulting a doctor. He/she stated that opinion strongly, but a lot of us post messages stating our opinions strongly, too.
Just because it was a strong opinion that I don't happen to agree with... it doesn't make it a "flame" as far as I'm concerned. Nor does a vigorous, sometimes emotional back and forth between any posters (guest or reg.) equal "bickering" in my book.
As Heidi is saying, and as loonlvr pointed out elsewhere, all we have to do is skim over or ignore what we don't want to read. The value of "ignoring" some things is greatly underrated, in my opinion. A sense of humor helps too.
Out and out trolls trying to cause trouble for trouble's sake are one thing - the board admin can deal with that. Strong differing opinions are another thing entirely and should always be welcome here. (That's just my own strong opinion, of course. ) If strong opinions lead to "bickering" (another "in the eye of the beholder" thing) in subsequent posts, so be it. Just frown, shrug, smile, reply or not - whatever - and go on to something more interesting.
Different Guest, you have nothing to apologize for at all, imho. You wrote excellent posts with sensitivity and much food for thought in them. If I were you, I'd be proud to register the name "Different Guest" and keep right on posting. That name would be just as good as any nickname any of us have chosen. Really.
This is one of my favorite sites on the internet for a laugh:
flamewarriors.com by Mike Reed
I agree. I think I've let the flu confuse me between several different guests. We had one about a week back which (IMO) clearly said that WE (the users of CPAPTALK) were not behaving in the right manner for the board and that I (personally) should be shot, hung, drawn, quartered, and left in the sun to rot for having the audacity to post jokes which occasionally (and definitely not intentionally) deflected the direction of discussion on a thread.
That was NOT the same poster as started the thread which you reference, and may ALSO be a melding of several, some of which were PMs.
This is the problem, IMO, with guest postings. I get so used to noticing who is posting and referring it back to what I've seen them say before. I do it unconsciously. And so when someone posts something inflamatory as "guest", it colors my perception of the name "guest" for a while, and makes what was admittedly only a DIFFERENT opinion come across as perhaps more inflamatory than it was intended to be.
Clearly it's a problem in me and not in guests themselves, but I think it's probably a human nature problem and not specific to me.
Liam, still trying to work out his feelings on guest posting...
That was NOT the same poster as started the thread which you reference, and may ALSO be a melding of several, some of which were PMs.
This is the problem, IMO, with guest postings. I get so used to noticing who is posting and referring it back to what I've seen them say before. I do it unconsciously. And so when someone posts something inflamatory as "guest", it colors my perception of the name "guest" for a while, and makes what was admittedly only a DIFFERENT opinion come across as perhaps more inflamatory than it was intended to be.
Clearly it's a problem in me and not in guests themselves, but I think it's probably a human nature problem and not specific to me.
Liam, still trying to work out his feelings on guest posting...
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This is WONDERFUL. I'm going through them now trying to figure out which one I am. So far, it's down to Weenie, Profundus Maximus, Therapist, Idealogue, Fillibusterrested gal wrote:flamewarriors.com by Mike Reed
Maybe occasionally Diplomat. I wish I was Eagle Scout. I hope I'm not Yuk Yuk. Certainly some think I'm Ego (and I suppose this post might support that).
Liam, who must be Ego.
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I also loved this site.rested gal wrote: flamewarriors.com by Mike Reed
Liam, as I read this, I kept thinking "Ok, which one is going to be Liam?" You may have seen yourself in several of these characters of this website (and I saw myself in several too, sadly), but actually, I didn't see a single one which defines our Liam. Not at all. In fact, we should write our own version of our wonderful Liam and submit it. This Reed site is lacking in a caracature which best describes our own Liam. We will just have to inform him of our forum. .......
Everyone should check out that site. Wonderful!
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Jonesing for a CPAP fix...
With decaf...and AYR gel.
Would Folgers in my humidifier help?
Has anyone seen my fan?
Later,
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With decaf...and AYR gel.
Would Folgers in my humidifier help?
Has anyone seen my fan?
Later,
Tater
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LOL, Janelle,
Good point!
How CPAP works - according to tutu
Good point!
Janelle is talking about an unregistered poster on the TAS message board - usually going by "Tutu", but sometimes spelled "Tutuu". As unrooted in reality as that one's posts are much of the time, his outrageous statements do lead to some pretty good discussions from other people. I think tutu really believes what he spouts, oddly enough.Hey, guys, at least we don't have "TuTu" on this forum telling us how CPAPs are addictive and don't do any good!
How CPAP works - according to tutu
Wow. This TUTU person seems to have little grasp on the scientific method, the workings of CPAP, or in fact anything else entirely.
He made some comment about trying to avoid it if at all possible. Like there's anyone out here saying "Damn, I wonder if I can FAKE apnea, because listening to these people, I can't WAIT to breath through a hose for 1/3 of my life".
I was seriously tempted to post a reply, but it seemed clear that Tutu wouldn't hear it, and no one else needs further proof, so it wasn't worth it.
But really, the people who complain about the quality of posting HERE should really go read that thread. What a delusional nitwit!
Liam, glad to be on a board populated by INTELLIGENT people.
He made some comment about trying to avoid it if at all possible. Like there's anyone out here saying "Damn, I wonder if I can FAKE apnea, because listening to these people, I can't WAIT to breath through a hose for 1/3 of my life".
I was seriously tempted to post a reply, but it seemed clear that Tutu wouldn't hear it, and no one else needs further proof, so it wasn't worth it.
But really, the people who complain about the quality of posting HERE should really go read that thread. What a delusional nitwit!
Liam, glad to be on a board populated by INTELLIGENT people.
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I seem to recall at one time on TAS that TuTu is a CPAP user ( a straight CPAP versus APAP) and he does use it but feels it is addictive and that he will never be able to sleep without it. But when it is life or death, what's the big deal.
Okay, my sleep study showed less than 5 on AHI. So, "technically" I was not apneatic. BUT I had O2 levels down to 83%, has extreme sleep deficit, had obvious physical obstructions, and lack of delta wave sleep. The sleep study, in my opinion was basically useless, as I was wakening every hour throughout the night. I never had time to go into any other stage, or get up to what might be my true apnea/hypopnea events.
My Sleep Doctor, sweetie and very knowledgeable man that he is, said, you may not have shown classic symptoms, but your Epworth scale was very high, and even though you are not showing the required number on the AHI now, you most likely will in the future, because your apnea is only going to get worse, not better without treatment. I was titrated at 8, slept like a baby during that study, but even on Gabitril had very little delta wave sleep, woke up the next morning after 6 hours feeling like crap.
But I was desperate to get out of the downward spiral my life was taking. I couldn't drive more than 15-20 minutes without getting sleepy. I was extremely fatigued from lack of restful sleep, and had waaaay too much to do that had to be done no matter how I felt, so I forced myself through each day.
This was the year I decided I was going to quit being a slave to my body. I have suffered extreme lower back pain for going on 25 years, even with therapy, pain pills, massage, heat, EStim, etc. Then my neck went askew causing severe pain, and at the same time I developed a very painful bone spur on my right shoulder. Another bone spur in my achilles tendon. I already had had to have Arthroscopy on my right knee and now it had developed a bone spur in the same place and I will need eventual partial replacement. I had steroid injections and nerve burning in the neck, spur removal and joint capsule enlargement on the right shoulder, and will have sonic surgery on my Achilles tendon spur within the next year, when that method is approved. Also in the last year or so I tore my Posterior Cruciate ligament in my left knee, requiring longterm healing, injections, etc. Currently I'm getting cortisone injections (epidural and facet joint) in my lower back. My chronic siatica is fading away, and the next procedure will be a nerve burning there in my lumbar area. My back will then be pain free for about 2-20 years for the first time in nearly half my life.
I still don't sleep at night all the way through, but I do feel better, and it is usually the pain that wakes me up.
But even without the pain, I still have OSA. And I refuse to get extremely painful surgery as pushed by my ENT, and have to be on a liquid diet for 2 weeks, even if I am guaranteed to lose 10 pounds, when it may or may not last indefinitely,and most likely will not.
Janelle, who has more specialists in Austin than you can count. But they are all great, knowledgeable people and I am very lucky to have found them. Thank God for double insurance coverage! My facet joint injection today was billed at $4800. Even at 80% coverage by primary insurance, if we didn't have secondary which picked up the balance, I couldn't afford any of these treatments and I'd still be in extreme pain 24/7
Okay, my sleep study showed less than 5 on AHI. So, "technically" I was not apneatic. BUT I had O2 levels down to 83%, has extreme sleep deficit, had obvious physical obstructions, and lack of delta wave sleep. The sleep study, in my opinion was basically useless, as I was wakening every hour throughout the night. I never had time to go into any other stage, or get up to what might be my true apnea/hypopnea events.
My Sleep Doctor, sweetie and very knowledgeable man that he is, said, you may not have shown classic symptoms, but your Epworth scale was very high, and even though you are not showing the required number on the AHI now, you most likely will in the future, because your apnea is only going to get worse, not better without treatment. I was titrated at 8, slept like a baby during that study, but even on Gabitril had very little delta wave sleep, woke up the next morning after 6 hours feeling like crap.
But I was desperate to get out of the downward spiral my life was taking. I couldn't drive more than 15-20 minutes without getting sleepy. I was extremely fatigued from lack of restful sleep, and had waaaay too much to do that had to be done no matter how I felt, so I forced myself through each day.
This was the year I decided I was going to quit being a slave to my body. I have suffered extreme lower back pain for going on 25 years, even with therapy, pain pills, massage, heat, EStim, etc. Then my neck went askew causing severe pain, and at the same time I developed a very painful bone spur on my right shoulder. Another bone spur in my achilles tendon. I already had had to have Arthroscopy on my right knee and now it had developed a bone spur in the same place and I will need eventual partial replacement. I had steroid injections and nerve burning in the neck, spur removal and joint capsule enlargement on the right shoulder, and will have sonic surgery on my Achilles tendon spur within the next year, when that method is approved. Also in the last year or so I tore my Posterior Cruciate ligament in my left knee, requiring longterm healing, injections, etc. Currently I'm getting cortisone injections (epidural and facet joint) in my lower back. My chronic siatica is fading away, and the next procedure will be a nerve burning there in my lumbar area. My back will then be pain free for about 2-20 years for the first time in nearly half my life.
I still don't sleep at night all the way through, but I do feel better, and it is usually the pain that wakes me up.
But even without the pain, I still have OSA. And I refuse to get extremely painful surgery as pushed by my ENT, and have to be on a liquid diet for 2 weeks, even if I am guaranteed to lose 10 pounds, when it may or may not last indefinitely,and most likely will not.
Janelle, who has more specialists in Austin than you can count. But they are all great, knowledgeable people and I am very lucky to have found them. Thank God for double insurance coverage! My facet joint injection today was billed at $4800. Even at 80% coverage by primary insurance, if we didn't have secondary which picked up the balance, I couldn't afford any of these treatments and I'd still be in extreme pain 24/7