Why is 'effort' not considered an alternate?

[Mogy]

EFFORT requires ENERGY.
When we are totally worn out from apnea, where do we find the energy?

I found that my APAP helped me with motivation and energy. I also find that exercise and weight loss helps as well.

[Mogy]

I do have a friend who went the surgery route and his apneas are gone. He has lost and kept off weight as well. Perhaps an outlier. Then again, do some of us use the PAP as an excuse not to "exercise" restraint in food consumption, i.e., viewing it as the easier alternative? I, for one, am overweight. Not quite considered obese, but dang close. I am heading into semi-retirement next month, which will give me more time and fewer excuses not to exercise more regularly. Plus, I have a very active granddaughter whom I will be watching once a week on average. That will also help with the weight loss and maybe even with sleep!

Happy 2018!

Cheers,

mc

Happy 2018!
Good luck with the exercise.

[mrcrayola]

@jnk, I 'll check with him. He had the surgery five or so years ago. Don't know if he's hung onto any reports or the like, but I'll check.

Cheers,

mc

[greatunclebill]

With New Years coming and resolutions I thought it might be a good time to ask this question.
Studies have shown that weight loss and exercise reduce sleep apnea.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24870569/
Also didgeridoo playing reduces apnea.
Josiah asks the question if there are alternate treatments and is giving the answer "NO".
Is that because we don't want to put in the effort? Or what?

YOU need to talk to YOUR doctor about any alternative treatments. Nobody here knows your medical condition and can not give you an objective opinion on what would help you. to be sure, there are other options up to and including tracheotomy that may or may not help you. Effort? why would i put any effort into seeing if some alternative would help you when i'm not your doctor? Everybody had fun with this thread, now make an appointment to see your doctor and see if he'll put an effort into researching every known alternative for you. bring your didgeridoodoo with and show how it helps your apnea. he'll get a good laugh out of that.

[Mogy]

Hi greatunclebill,
You ask:
"Effort? why would i put any effort into seeing if some alternative would help you when i'm not your doctor? "
I am not asking you to put any effort into any alternative for me. I believe effort made by myself for myself researching and following through with what I find is just as important as visits to my doctor.
You also say:
"YOU need to talk to YOUR doctor about any alternative treatments."
My doctor is not that interested in alternative treatments. If I mention it, the most I get is, "That sound good. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't do it."
I come to this forum to talk about alternative treatments. Even though some disagree with me, or laugh at me, I still receive valuable feedback. Thanks.

[ChicagoGranny]

I come to this forum to talk about alternative treatments.

If there were good alternative treatments, few of us would be here.

And BTW, those dentists you hear on the radio are lying through their teeth about MADs.

[chunkyfrog]

. . . IF they are, indeed, actually dentists.
And not actors!

[carbonman]

Is that because we don't want to put in the effort? Or what?

Improvement through effort.....ain't it a long, strange trip we are on.

Just a few months away from 10yrs on the hose. Maybe the best years of my life.
Just a few months away from 30yrs on the bike....and my legs are tired.

In Oct, while on the bike, kid turns left in front of me. I body slammed his car
at 18mph. A laundry list of injuries. .....one in particular stands out, now.
My nose was smashed into his passenger window....didn't break, but was close.
As a result of that, it some how opened up my nasal cavity. My nasal breathing
improved by at least 80%. With that improvement, cpap therapy improved.
My sleep improved dramatically.

Always put in the effort.
You just never know where it will lead you.

I'll see you on the road.

[greatunclebill]

Hi greatunclebill,
You ask:
"Effort? why would i put any effort into seeing if some alternative would help you when i'm not your doctor? "
I am not asking you to put any effort into any alternative for me. I believe effort made by myself for myself researching and following through with what I find is just as important as visits to my doctor.
You also say:
"YOU need to talk to YOUR doctor about any alternative treatments."
My doctor is not that interested in alternative treatments. If I mention it, the most I get is, "That sound good. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't do it."
I come to this forum to talk about alternative treatments. Even though some disagree with me, or laugh at me, I still receive valuable feedback. Thanks.

Your Doctor is a wise man that understands your physical/mental health needs.

[carbonman]

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[carbonman]

Number one "Bama fan.

Roll Tide!!

[JimW159]

...one in particular stands out, now.
My nose was smashed into his passenger window....didn't break, but was close.
As a result of that, it some how opened up my nasal cavity. My nasal breathing
improved by at least 80%. With that improvement, cpap therapy improved.
My sleep improved dramatically.

Now, there's an alternative I hadn't considered. Get a friend (or enemy) to punch you in the nose.

[chunkyfrog]

Effort is extremely effective, when used in order to make the only
PROVEN solution to work. [[[XPAP, of course]]]
Expending energy in the wrong direction will only lead one AWAY from a solution.
Happy new year.

[Goofproof]

Effort is extremely effective, when used in order to make the only
PROVEN solution to work. [[[XPAP, of course]]]
Expending energy in the wrong direction will only lead one AWAY from a solution.
Happy new year.

A Dog can make the effort by chasing it's tail, but catching it doesn't provide anything worthwhile for it.

Effort used to making life better is productive, if you have sleep apnea the most productive effort would put away the CAN'T and make XPAP work. Jim

[sewsleepy]

Seems like it really should say exercise and weight loss *may* help - i think many of us here are not overweight and I, for one, suffered from untreated sleep apnea for years because my doctor at the time thought you couldn't have sleep apnea unless you were overweight.