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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby Mittens1 on Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:47 pm

(Not sure if it's best to continue the thread or post a new one -- hope this is okay.)

First two nights on APAP are complete, and both had less than 3 events per hour. Sleep was interrupted a lot, but hopefully that will settle down with time. Since I cannot yet attach anything to the signature, I'll answer the first question or two here -- AirSense 10 AutoSet with AirFit P10 Pillow Mask. I have two main questions at the moment.

First, if prior to diagnosis, our bodies were used to adrenalin kicking in multiple times during the night, what does it do to have a sudden change? How can we best support our bodies during that transition? (Although it's a great thing to drop that stress level, I'm sure, I wonder if it's also hard in some ways both physically and otherwise.)

Second, my pain levels have shot up the past two days, especially neck pain due to existing cervical issues. I suspect the neck is unhappy with the added pull and weight of the hose attached to my face, yet that is one of the lightest masks out there, according to the DME. They want me to try it through at least Monday. Any suggestions for dealing with that pull? Is it likely the weight/resistance of the mask? (I've even wondered if deeper sleep might mean pain is a bigger factor simply due to less adrenalin flowing in the system?)

Thanks for the support and encouragement I've seen from many around here.

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby Pugsy on Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:59 pm

Get some sort of hose management system rigged up (you can do a DIY project or buy store bought) so the hose doesn't pull on the mask.

Here's a thread with some DIY projects.
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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby johnny4444 on Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:18 pm

I can relate to your post I have the same thing happen to me in the last 2 wks.
Although it is a shock it led me to think of my past.
I have been in a profession that takes a lot of concentration and delicate work. When I think back in order to be accurate I learned to hold my breath while working.
I have now realized that now that I am retired I have developed the habit of holding my breath when I am concentrating. Wow that blew my mind. In the next couple of weeks I will be on a cpap machine for life. a lot to take in however I am up for it with a positive attitude.
I already have NAME for my machine. I will not fight it I will roll with it and make the best of it.
I am looking forward to getting started and feeling better.
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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby ChicagoGranny on Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:49 am

Mittens1 wrote:(Not sure if it's best to continue the thread or post a new one -- hope this is okay.)

You did it right. We can follow the history of the discussion. The worst is new members who spew new threads all over - ughhh - it's A Mess.


Mittens1 wrote:First two nights on APAP are complete, and both had less than 3 events per hour.

Congratulations!

Mittens1 wrote:First, if prior to diagnosis, our bodies were used to adrenalin kicking in multiple times during the night, what does it do to have a sudden change? How can we best support our bodies during that transition?

When the nightly hormone disaster is gone, the body immediately begins to heal. How to support the body? Just the basic stuff - good nutrition, moderate exercise, time spent outdoors, sufficient sleep time and continue to work on sleep quality.

Mittens1 wrote:Any suggestions for dealing with that pull? Is it likely the weight/resistance of the mask?

Yes, managing the hose is part of the CPAP learning curve. Here is something I often post -->

- Make sure to use good hose management - the hose should not pull on the mask. Notice how your hose is positioned between machine and mask. It should be positioned to minimize any pull on the mask. Hose management is an individual practice. How it is done depends on the mask, the position of the machine, your sleeping position and other factors specific to the individual.


Are you using a standard hose or slimline? ( https://www.cpap.com/cpap-hose/cpap-hose-tubing.php ) The slimline is lighter and will pull less.

I try to use hose management systems as a last resort. They are an added complication, and what do you do when you travel? Something else to carry in the luggage and figure out how to set up in your hotel or guest room.Something else for TSA to see on the x-ray.

If you think you need to use a hose management system, maybe you can "wean" yourself off after you become more skilled and at ease with the CPAP process.

Mittens1 wrote:neck pain due to existing cervical issues

If you get the hose management solved, and this continues to be a problem, we can discuss foam cervical collars. A good many of us (without cervical problems) wear them to improve our CPAP therapy. They hold the neck in the best position for airway patency and help prevent jaw drop/mouth opening.

It's good to have discussions with a newbie who solves problems logically and is on the way to success. Thank you.

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby Mittens1 on Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:42 am

Johnny, best wishes as you too begin this journey. I love your attitude. I haven't yet named the machine, but you did make me think. I'm gonna have to make friends with this mask, so I think I'll need to give it a name, at least.

ChicagoGranny, thank you for your input. I had been thinking this morning, wondering if it was as simple as "back to basics" of good nutrition, allowing time for enough sleep (or a little extra,even), etc. I had wondered also if this is a time to not overdo on the exercise -- yes, exercise, but only moderate levels for a few weeks, at least till I touch base with the doc.

The hose -- yes, it's a slimline. This morning was the first time I didn't wake up with my neck in agony before noon. It's not happy now, but at least I've had a few hours relief so maybe it's adjusting. All I know is that I have to do everything possible to make this work, because what was happening is not sustainable. I was struggling in multiple areas, and it seems the underlying theme is likely tied to poor quality sleep. It would be lovely if things that I thought were relatively random end up resolved.

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby ChicagoGranny on Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:10 pm

Mittens1 wrote:This morning was the first time I didn't wake up with my neck in agony before noon. It's not happy now, but at least I've had a few hours relief so maybe it's adjusting.


It could be that the normal tension/worry of the first few nights of CPAP was causing some neck problems. As you become more relaxed with the process, hopefully you will have fewer problems.

I awakened this morning at 4:30 with some pretty bad "elder pain". Usually, I can't fall back to sleep. This morning I fell back on a basic - just lying still, listening to the gentle noise of the CPAP and imagining the gentle pressure was protective and pleasurable. Maybe it worked - I fell back to sleep and slept late (for me).


Mittens1 wrote:I had wondered also if this is a time to not overdo on the exercise

The Captain Obvious comment is, "Never overdo exercise." :lol: :lol: That's easier said than done for someone like my Gramps.

Mittens1 wrote:I was struggling in multiple areas, and it seems the underlying theme is likely tied to poor quality sleep.

Our untreated days seem to be the time to be careful about exercise. The body is already under great stress. My gut feeling says an exercise-induced heart attack is more likely. (I'm influenced by Dr. James O'Keefe's work - https://www.runnersworld.com/health/exc ... heir-views )

BTW, you mentioned a lot of awakenings the first two nights. How was it last night?

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby Mittens1 on Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:09 pm

ChicagoGranny, waking up in the night right now is the norm. Had the crazy upper respiratory virus that's gone around this year, and it settled into my chest. The cough takes a while to leave, they said -- and they certainly hit the mark on that one! Toss in pain issues and the normal "alien on the face" newness factor, and I'll be shocked if I were able to sleep straight through the night without waking up more than once any night within the next week. If it happens within the next two weeks, I will be pleased, but that's what I'm hoping for.

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby Mittens1 on Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:43 pm

Trying a different mask, although I liked the results with the first mask as far as apnea goes. AHI under 2, leaks were low for the first few days, but pain levels and headaches were a problem. It seems worth a try to swap masks during this first month, to see whether that will make a difference. I want this to work, without complicating other health issues if at all possible.

I tried the Dreamwear mask this afternoon for a nap, and noticed that the same pressures I have been using feel like I'm getting less air than it did with the previous mask. (AirFit P10). It'll be interesting to see if pressures required overnight the next 2-3 nights differ from the past few nights. Is that my imagination or does the style mask make that big a difference?

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby ChicagoGranny on Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:31 am

Mittens1 wrote:I tried the Dreamwear mask this afternoon for a nap, and noticed that the same pressures I have been using feel like I'm getting less air than it did with the previous mask. (AirFit P10).


What are your pressure settings?

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby RicaLynn on Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:52 am

I know the S9 has different settings for different mask types, I would think the AirSense does as well. I seem to dimly recall the DreamWear requiring a different setting? Just thinking out loud...

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby Pugsy on Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:58 am

RicaLynn wrote:I know the S9 has different settings for different mask types, I would think the AirSense does as well. I seem to dimly recall the DreamWear requiring a different setting? Just thinking out loud...


The different settings for the masks with the ResMed machines don't normally make any difference on how the machine delivers the pressure or how it is perceived or felt. It's used mainly for leak calculations (per ResMed) and maybe some minor adjustments that we don't know about in terms of resistance.

No matter what it shouldn't make any difference as to the setting for mask.
I have used the DreamWear and playing with mask selection...nasal vs pillows and with my ResMed machine I couldn't tell any difference at all in pressure needs during the night or how it felt at the beginning of the night....or any difference in leak numbers either.

Now different masks can cause the user to perceive or feel like there is a difference in air flow and equate it to pressure but that's not necessarily what is really happening.

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby Mittens1 on Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:45 am

Pressure settings are at 7-12. Last night was tough, although the pressures have felt fine before, it just feels like I was not getting enough air since swapping out the masks. Neck is happier, though. I'll see how tonight goes I suppose.

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby Mittens1 on Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:22 pm

I'm beginning to wonder how long it generally takes till registrations are processed. Given the tone of some discussions and how far afield a thread can go, I have hesitated at times whether to post specific questions that have come up this past week. Just wondering.

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby Mittens on Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:20 pm

Yeah! The registration went through. I'd been watching for an email since initial registration said that an email would be sent when registration was approved, but today I just tried to sign in and it worked, even though I've never received an email (and yes, I'd been checking spam and junk mail folders). Anyhow, it's good to no longer wait. (Maybe the email will come tomorrow?) :lol:

Although the change of mask helped at first, it seems I've got a balancing act before me -- sleep apnea vs neck pain, helping one means compromising the other. Aim for "good enough" with both, and hope to balance life somewhere near that point, at least for now. I'm really not sure what else to do.

Edit: The email came just after I'd written this! :D

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Re: And the journey begins....

Postby Mittens on Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:45 pm

I'm discouraged. And tired. Supposed to try a third mask tonight, and am almost tempted to take a night off. Things had gone well, with low leaks, low AHI, and it seemed sleep was easier. Until this past week, anyhow. I didn't expect to feel like I was going backward, but I do. (And it is hard to admit that, too.)

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