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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby xxyzx on Fri May 19, 2017 10:49 am

chunkyfrog wrote:LSAT has been a RESPECTED member of this forum for about NINE YEARS.
Your heckling is without any merit whatsoever.
Edit: I wonder why it took me until right now to put "he who will not be named" on my foe list.

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i am sure that if the nameless one were not so laid back that you would have been on his list long ago

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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby xxyzx on Fri May 19, 2017 10:52 am

SleepyBobR wrote:Flame wars aside, I have to say I've wondered the same thing myself regarding auto vs cpap. There was no medical reason for me to have an auto machine but I was able to exploit an insurance loophole to obtain an Autoset for Her. Additional cost to me was about $100, money extremely well spent. I have tried using it in CPAP mode at various pressures but my results are far better when set to auto. As a bonus, my aerophagea is much improved as well because the average pressure over the course of the night is lower in auto mode. I suspect the control firmware is the only difference so I don't understand why they even make CPAP machines anymore; there is no downside to an auto machine. Those who want fixed pressure can easily set the machine to CPAP mode.

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its all about cost

insurance driven by medicrap has the goal of spending the least for something that 'works'

works well or being comfortable is irrelevant to medicrap and most insurance companies

clearly auto is absolutely the correct way to build these
all the models are essentially the same with different software that jacks up the price

true a few do have other sensors or comfort features
but auto vs cpap is not a cost item
even bipap is just software for most machines

ASV may need more
but their high price is still profit driven not engineering limited

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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby JaneAsimov on Fri May 19, 2017 11:03 am

SO back to your question. The best thing for congestion this time of year is Flonase, every single day, if your allergies are to blame. Use it after you wash your face, so you are not snorting additional pollen up into your sinuses. It takes 2-3 days to become fully effective, as it is an anti-inflammatory, but it's safe to take year round, if you need to, since you're not ingesting it. Also, showering before bed gets all of the pollen off your skin and out of your hair, which is a pollen magnet. I change my sheets/pillowcase frequently too which helps. If your symptoms are really bad Xyzal will calm things down until the Flonase kicks in. Take Xyzal in the morning though, because it can make you restless at night (the last thing any of us on here need!!!) Hope this was of help!

Jane

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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby TASmart on Fri May 19, 2017 11:46 am

xxyzx wrote:
SleepyBobR wrote:Flame wars aside, I have to say I've wondered the same thing myself regarding auto vs cpap. There was no medical reason for me to have an auto machine but I was able to exploit an insurance loophole to obtain an Autoset for Her. Additional cost to me was about $100, money extremely well spent. I have tried using it in CPAP mode at various pressures but my results are far better when set to auto. As a bonus, my aerophagea is much improved as well because the average pressure over the course of the night is lower in auto mode. I suspect the control firmware is the only difference so I don't understand why they even make CPAP machines anymore; there is no downside to an auto machine. Those who want fixed pressure can easily set the machine to CPAP mode.

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its all about cost

insurance driven by medicrap has the goal of spending the least for something that 'works'

works well or being comfortable is irrelevant to medicrap and most insurance companies

clearly auto is absolutely the correct way to build these
all the models are essentially the same with different software that jacks up the price

true a few do have other sensors or comfort features
but auto vs cpap is not a cost item
even bipap is just software for most machines

ASV may need more
but their high price is still profit driven not engineering limited



And why do you think cost is not material, especially when spending public monies? I also note you do not use Medicare, so how are you so expert on how it works in detail?

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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby The Choker on Fri May 19, 2017 12:13 pm

JaneAsimov wrote: I change my sheets/pillowcase frequently too which helps.

Do what you like, but this is not so important for CPAPers. The air going in our nostrils comes from that little machine on the nightstand.
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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby The Choker on Fri May 19, 2017 12:14 pm

TASmart wrote:And why do you think cost is not material, especially when spending public monies? I also note you do not use Medicare, so how are you so expert on how it works in detail?


You are asking someone who is in mid-stage dementia. I've seen it in three of our four parents.
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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby xxyzx on Fri May 19, 2017 7:28 pm

JaneAsimov wrote:SO back to your question. The best thing for congestion this time of year is Flonase, every single day, if your allergies are to blame. Use it after you wash your face, so you are not snorting additional pollen up into your sinuses. It takes 2-3 days to become fully effective, as it is an anti-inflammatory, but it's safe to take year round, if you need to, since you're not ingesting it. Also, showering before bed gets all of the pollen off your skin and out of your hair, which is a pollen magnet. I change my sheets/pillowcase frequently too which helps. If your symptoms are really bad Xyzal will calm things down until the Flonase kicks in. Take Xyzal in the morning though, because it can make you restless at night (the last thing any of us on here need!!!) Hope this was of help!

Jane

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i was on flonase for years
it stopped working

so had to stop using flonase and itched like crazy for months trying to get off it
claritin is working better than flonase ever did

there is no BEST
just what works for you

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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby xxyzx on Fri May 19, 2017 7:29 pm

The Choker wrote:
JaneAsimov wrote: I change my sheets/pillowcase frequently too which helps.

Do what you like, but this is not so important for CPAPers. The air going in our nostrils comes from that little machine on the nightstand.

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that is more nonsense

many pillows have allergens mites and just plain dust or dander and it can help to clean and change them

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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby xxyzx on Fri May 19, 2017 7:32 pm

TASmart wrote:
xxyzx wrote:
SleepyBobR wrote:Flame wars aside, I have to say I've wondered the same thing myself regarding auto vs cpap. There was no medical reason for me to have an auto machine but I was able to exploit an insurance loophole to obtain an Autoset for Her. Additional cost to me was about $100, money extremely well spent. I have tried using it in CPAP mode at various pressures but my results are far better when set to auto. As a bonus, my aerophagea is much improved as well because the average pressure over the course of the night is lower in auto mode. I suspect the control firmware is the only difference so I don't understand why they even make CPAP machines anymore; there is no downside to an auto machine. Those who want fixed pressure can easily set the machine to CPAP mode.

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its all about cost

insurance driven by medicrap has the goal of spending the least for something that 'works'

works well or being comfortable is irrelevant to medicrap and most insurance companies

clearly auto is absolutely the correct way to build these
all the models are essentially the same with different software that jacks up the price

true a few do have other sensors or comfort features
but auto vs cpap is not a cost item
even bipap is just software for most machines

ASV may need more
but their high price is still profit driven not engineering limited



And why do you think cost is not material, especially when spending public monies? I also note you do not use Medicare, so how are you so expert on how it works in detail?

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there you go ASSuming things i never said

of course cost is important

i merely noted the reason they wont give you a machine that works better and makes you feel better is cost
they want to spend the least to get some help not give the help you actually need

keeping someone alive artificially but in pain is not a proper use of money either

on the other hand we should not gold plate the devices when there is no medical benefit
but many machines that cost more do provide that benefit

so who says where the balance point is

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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby TASmart on Fri May 19, 2017 7:48 pm

xxyzx wrote:
TASmart wrote:
xxyzx wrote:
SleepyBobR wrote:Flame wars aside, I have to say I've wondered the same thing myself regarding auto vs cpap. There was no medical reason for me to have an auto machine but I was able to exploit an insurance loophole to obtain an Autoset for Her. Additional cost to me was about $100, money extremely well spent. I have tried using it in CPAP mode at various pressures but my results are far better when set to auto. As a bonus, my aerophagea is much improved as well because the average pressure over the course of the night is lower in auto mode. I suspect the control firmware is the only difference so I don't understand why they even make CPAP machines anymore; there is no downside to an auto machine. Those who want fixed pressure can easily set the machine to CPAP mode.

================

its all about cost

insurance driven by medicrap has the goal of spending the least for something that 'works'

works well or being comfortable is irrelevant to medicrap and most insurance companies

clearly auto is absolutely the correct way to build these
all the models are essentially the same with different software that jacks up the price

true a few do have other sensors or comfort features
but auto vs cpap is not a cost item
even bipap is just software for most machines

ASV may need more
but their high price is still profit driven not engineering limited



And why do you think cost is not material, especially when spending public monies? I also note you do not use Medicare, so how are you so expert on how it works in detail?

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there you go ASSuming things i never said

of course cost is important

i merely noted the reason they wont give you a machine that works better and makes you feel better is cost
they want to spend the least to get some help not give the help you actually need

keeping someone alive artificially but in pain is not a proper use of money either

on the other hand we should not gold plate the devices when there is no medical benefit
but many machines that cost more do provide that benefit

so who says where the balance point is


Appeaently you think you do.

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Re: one size fits nobody

Postby xxyzx on Sat May 20, 2017 9:48 am

TASmart wrote:
xxyzx wrote:
TASmart wrote:
xxyzx wrote:
SleepyBobR wrote:Flame wars aside, I have to say I've wondered the same thing myself regarding auto vs cpap. There was no medical reason for me to have an auto machine but I was able to exploit an insurance loophole to obtain an Autoset for Her. Additional cost to me was about $100, money extremely well spent. I have tried using it in CPAP mode at various pressures but my results are far better when set to auto. As a bonus, my aerophagea is much improved as well because the average pressure over the course of the night is lower in auto mode. I suspect the control firmware is the only difference so I don't understand why they even make CPAP machines anymore; there is no downside to an auto machine. Those who want fixed pressure can easily set the machine to CPAP mode.

================

its all about cost

insurance driven by medicrap has the goal of spending the least for something that 'works'

works well or being comfortable is irrelevant to medicrap and most insurance companies

clearly auto is absolutely the correct way to build these
all the models are essentially the same with different software that jacks up the price

true a few do have other sensors or comfort features
but auto vs cpap is not a cost item
even bipap is just software for most machines

ASV may need more
but their high price is still profit driven not engineering limited



And why do you think cost is not material, especially when spending public monies? I also note you do not use Medicare, so how are you so expert on how it works in detail?

======================

there you go ASSuming things i never said

of course cost is important

i merely noted the reason they wont give you a machine that works better and makes you feel better is cost
they want to spend the least to get some help not give the help you actually need

keeping someone alive artificially but in pain is not a proper use of money either

on the other hand we should not gold plate the devices when there is no medical benefit
but many machines that cost more do provide that benefit

so who says where the balance point is


Appeaently you think you do.

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there you go again

i never said that at all

but if i had my opinion is worth every penny you paid for it

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