Upgrading firmware for better data collection, Dreamstation
Upgrading firmware for better data collection, Dreamstation
So as many of us now, there are various models of the Phillips Dreamstation. The auto-CPAP model collects a whole lot more data than the normal 'brick' model.
Being a newbie, I purchased the normal CPAP model not knowing this and now I'm interested in quantifying my sleep apnea.
Anyway, my question.
If I upgraded my Dreamstation firmware to the auto-CPAP firmware, do you all think that would enhance the machine's data capability? I don't want to use my machine AS an auto, just want the upgraded data collection.
Would there be any risks or things to look out for if using the normal CPAP with Auto-CPAP firmware? (other than the normal risks of upgrading firmware).
Dunno if anyone has tried this, but there is info out there on how to tinker with the firmware on these devices:
http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread ... ion?page=3
Would appreciate any advice
Being a newbie, I purchased the normal CPAP model not knowing this and now I'm interested in quantifying my sleep apnea.
Anyway, my question.
If I upgraded my Dreamstation firmware to the auto-CPAP firmware, do you all think that would enhance the machine's data capability? I don't want to use my machine AS an auto, just want the upgraded data collection.
Would there be any risks or things to look out for if using the normal CPAP with Auto-CPAP firmware? (other than the normal risks of upgrading firmware).
Dunno if anyone has tried this, but there is info out there on how to tinker with the firmware on these devices:
http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread ... ion?page=3
Would appreciate any advice
Re: Upgrading firmware for better data collection, Dreamstation
Their is good reason to believe that they have the same hardware and it's only the Firmware version that makes it a full time Auto instead of a 30 day trial auto.
You would however need access to the different firmware versions and whatever hardware interface they were using to download and update the firmware.
This is very common in many consumer electronic devices.
I have not seen the same type of interest however in hacking of Cpap Machines.
That is not to say that some are not doing it.
You would however need access to the different firmware versions and whatever hardware interface they were using to download and update the firmware.
This is very common in many consumer electronic devices.
I have not seen the same type of interest however in hacking of Cpap Machines.
That is not to say that some are not doing it.
Re: Upgrading firmware for better data collection, Dreamstation
How many spare XPAPs do you have? I'd start by doing the one with the highest hours first, saving the lowest hour machine for last, that way you will still have one to use. Jim
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Re: Upgrading firmware for better data collection, Dreamstation
This brings up a good point. When you get your Dreamstation, can you ask for the latest firmware? What is the latest firmware right now on the Dreamstation?
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Re: Upgrading firmware for better data collection, Dreamstation
If you currently have a non-data-capable (aka "brick") machine, it's doubtful that any firmware upgrade would convert it to a fully-data-capable machine. I doubt that the true bricks have the required sensors inside them to work with the firmware.skanson wrote:So as many of us now, there are various models of the Phillips Dreamstation. The auto-CPAP model collects a whole lot more data than the normal 'brick' model.
Being a newbie, I purchased the normal CPAP model not knowing this and now I'm interested in quantifying my sleep apnea.
Anyway, my question.
If I upgraded my Dreamstation firmware to the auto-CPAP firmware, do you all think that would enhance the machine's data capability? I don't want to use my machine AS an auto, just want the upgraded data collection.
Would there be any risks or things to look out for if using the normal CPAP with Auto-CPAP firmware? (other than the normal risks of upgrading firmware).
Dunno if anyone has tried this, but there is info out there on how to tinker with the firmware on these devices:
http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread ... ion?page=3
Would appreciate any advice
Den
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Re: Upgrading firmware for better data collection, Dreamstation
thus spake the voice of ignorance.Wulfman... wrote:If you currently have a non-data-capable (aka "brick") machine, it's doubtful that any firmware upgrade would convert it to a fully-data-capable machine. I doubt that the true bricks have the required sensors inside them to work with the firmware.
required sensors: pressure and flow.
can't very well do anything without those two, unless talking about a machine that gets set with a knob and a manometer.
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If you don't have the service manuals, don't expose YOUR ignorance.palerider wrote:thus spake the voice of ignorance.Wulfman... wrote:If you currently have a non-data-capable (aka "brick") machine, it's doubtful that any firmware upgrade would convert it to a fully-data-capable machine. I doubt that the true bricks have the required sensors inside them to work with the firmware.
required sensors: pressure and flow.
can't very well do anything without those two, unless talking about a machine that gets set with a knob and a manometer.
There are three different PCA boards (part numbers) for the CPAP/APAP models......CPAP, CPAP Pro and CPAP Auto.
Two different PCA boards (part numbers) for the BiPAP models......Pro and Auto.
Den
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Re: Upgrading firmware for better data collection, Dreamstation
I'll wait until the firmware that bluetooths to the included 50 inch video screen projection screen with the free subscription to netflix and HBO. Jim
Use data to optimize your xPAP treatment!
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well, having taken apart a variety of machines, something I know your managerial self hasn't.... I do know more about what is inside them than you do.Wulfman... wrote:If you don't have the service manuals, don't expose YOUR ignorance.palerider wrote:thus spake the voice of ignorance.Wulfman... wrote:If you currently have a non-data-capable (aka "brick") machine, it's doubtful that any firmware upgrade would convert it to a fully-data-capable machine. I doubt that the true bricks have the required sensors inside them to work with the firmware.
required sensors: pressure and flow.
can't very well do anything without those two, unless talking about a machine that gets set with a knob and a manometer.
There are three different PCA boards (part numbers) for the CPAP/APAP models......CPAP, CPAP Pro and CPAP Auto.
Two different PCA boards (part numbers) for the BiPAP models......Pro and Auto.
but, hey... you'll think what you want.
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Accounts to put on the foe list: dataq1, clownbell, gearchange, lynninnj, mper!?, DreamDiver, Geer1, almostadoctor, sleepgeek, ajack, stom, mogy, D.H., They often post misleading, timewasting stuff.
Accounts to put on the foe list: dataq1, clownbell, gearchange, lynninnj, mper!?, DreamDiver, Geer1, almostadoctor, sleepgeek, ajack, stom, mogy, D.H., They often post misleading, timewasting stuff.
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Jim, if you ever do upgrade, you might have to tape over the 50" screen at night so the light doesn't keep you awake.Goofproof wrote:I'll wait until the firmware that bluetooths to the included 50 inch video screen projection screen with the free subscription to netflix and HBO. Jim
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It's a built in projector, i'll just paint one wall black! In reality I have a 48 inch on the wall by my bed I run all night every night, running the same series all night "Monroe" every night. Jim.greyhound wrote:Jim, if you ever do upgrade, you might have to tape over the 50" screen at night so the light doesn't keep you awake.Goofproof wrote:I'll wait until the firmware that bluetooths to the included 50 inch video screen projection screen with the free subscription to netflix and HBO. Jim
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They have the Hardware and sensors. That is why they can operate in auto mode for a 30 day trial. It's the firmware/software that is loaded into a memory chip in the machine that Turns on and off different capabilities.Wulfman... wrote: If you currently have a non-data-capable (aka "brick") machine, it's doubtful that any firmware upgrade would convert it to a fully-data-capable machine. I doubt that the true bricks have the required sensors inside them to work with the firmware.
Den
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This is very common and often referred to as Software rights in the electronics industry.
The hardware can support many additional functions but unless you pay for the upgraded software rights you don't get it.
It makes perfect sense for the Manufacture to keep the hardware build the same across the product line.
They use the same hardware platform and then The controlling Feature is the Firmware/software they install at the end of the assembly-line.
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Example: The Resmed manual is the same for Airsense Autoset 1o, auto set for her,Elite and Cpap.Wulfman... wrote: If you don't have the service manuals, don't expose YOUR ignorance.
There are three different PCA boards (part numbers) for the CPAP/APAP models......CPAP, CPAP Pro and CPAP Auto.
Two different PCA boards (part numbers) for the BiPAP models......Pro and Auto.
Den
The hardware is the same. The board part number will be different based on what Firmware is installed into the Memory Chip on the board.
The board part number will be different based on the firmware programmed into the memory chip on the board.
This is the way the industry works.
Re: Upgrading firmware for better data collection, Dreamstation
indeed, and speaking for resmed, the components on those differentially part numbered boards are the same, since it costs them less to have one production line for them, and just flash a different firmware at the end (and stamp on a part number) than it would be to make a variety of different boards.jtravel wrote:Example: The Resmed manual is the same for Airsense Autoset 1o, auto set for her,Elite and Cpap.Wulfman... wrote: If you don't have the service manuals, don't expose YOUR ignorance.
There are three different PCA boards (part numbers) for the CPAP/APAP models......CPAP, CPAP Pro and CPAP Auto.
Two different PCA boards (part numbers) for the BiPAP models......Pro and Auto.
Den
The hardware is the same. The board part number will be different based on what Firmware is installed into the Memory Chip on the board.
The board part number will be different based on the firmware programmed into the memory chip on the board.
This is the way the industry works.
the cost of a pressure sensor, and/or flow sensor is an insignificant cost of the overall parts list.
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Accounts to put on the foe list: dataq1, clownbell, gearchange, lynninnj, mper!?, DreamDiver, Geer1, almostadoctor, sleepgeek, ajack, stom, mogy, D.H., They often post misleading, timewasting stuff.
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as a matter of fact, I *DO* have a service manual for the system one 50 series.Wulfman... wrote:If you don't have the service manuals, don't expose YOUR ignorance.palerider wrote:thus spake the voice of ignorance.Wulfman... wrote:If you currently have a non-data-capable (aka "brick") machine, it's doubtful that any firmware upgrade would convert it to a fully-data-capable machine. I doubt that the true bricks have the required sensors inside them to work with the firmware.
required sensors: pressure and flow.
can't very well do anything without those two, unless talking about a machine that gets set with a knob and a manometer.
There are three different PCA boards (part numbers) for the CPAP/APAP models......CPAP, CPAP Pro and CPAP Auto.
Two different PCA boards (part numbers) for the BiPAP models......Pro and Auto.
etc.REMstar and BiPAP Sleep Therapy Device
Service & Technical Reference Manual
© 2010 Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V.
The schematics on pages 9-2 through 9-6 are for the
following device model numbers:
• 45X
• 55X
• 65X
• 75X
The schematics on pages 9-7 through 9-11 are for the
following device model numbers:
• 15X
• 25X
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Accounts to put on the foe list: dataq1, clownbell, gearchange, lynninnj, mper!?, DreamDiver, Geer1, almostadoctor, sleepgeek, ajack, stom, mogy, D.H., They often post misleading, timewasting stuff.