Seriously, this does not make me happy...

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by Krelvin » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:49 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:The listing was ended today with one copy sold.
But another listing that had already ended before that one showed 4 being sold. Didn't look to see how many other listings there have been and for how many years they have been doing it. There are some other sites out there as well which have hits, but don't show the product any longer.

It is not a simple as it sounds. And they are clearly stating this is GPL's software that you can get for free elsewhere.
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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by Sonnyboy » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:21 pm

Re: History
You can check this guys ebay feed back as a seller, sometimes the buyers identify the product which provides an approximate idea of the number of CD's sold and the starting date.


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Distributed under GNU/GPL License or derivative, which gives license for redistribution.
This program is freely available and may be sourced from alternate source depending on end-user's accessibility.
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I can not find this statement at the site below which is also one of his sites, see if you agree.
http://tenstherapy.com.au/wholesale-tens-massager

See page 2 of this site.

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by jedimark » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:56 pm

A large part of what makes me displeased about this, is that the GPL v3 license not only allows for this, but sadly encourages this kind of behaviour.

I made a mistake in choosing that particular software license. (I should of listened more to Linus Torvalds and others about the GPLv3 :-} )

I love working on SleepyHead
I love making SleepyHead freely available to everyone, on all major desktop platforms.
I love SleepyHead's code being available.
I love people being able to copy it and share it with others for free...
just not so much them profiting off it like it was their own work.

I'm currently considering relicensing SleepyHead for all future code, which I know will surely upset a few people.. (Hey, I'm upset I have to think about this too! )
I'm not sure which license I will use, and perhaps I will even have to consider a more "commercial" license, because when it boils down to it SleepyHead is basically my job, and there is not much else I can do in my current circumstances.
(And a commercial license will allow for access to documentation that I cannot even touch being open source.. That would allow me to improve project importer code dramatically!)

But now matter what, SleepyHead will always be available in a non-crippled & non-ad-bloat version free to use for everyone, but maybe not as "free as in freedom" to the point I allow others to exploit my work over it.

All past code will still be available as GPL, I can not (and do not) want to change this.

I need to bring those who submitted patches on board before anything can be done. Unfortunately development is on hold until this is sorted though. :/

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by CaptainRaven40 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:02 pm

This is terrible. I wish there was something I could say or do to be of help. I am sad to say I don't think there is. I love SleepyHead and it is an amazing lifesaver. So thank you for all of your hard work and such an amazing software.

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by ChicagoGranny » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:06 pm

jedimark wrote:I'm not sure which license I will use, and perhaps I will even have to consider a more "commercial" license, because when it boils down to it SleepyHead is basically my job, and there is not much else I can do in my current circumstances.
There is nothing wrong with capitalism and the profit motive. In fact, the bulk of humanity is much better off today as compared to the 1800s because of capitalism and markets - http://www.aei.org/publication/perhaps- ... ever-read/

Go for it. Get a business plan together and make some money off your work. I, for one, am willing to pay for your product.

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by Sir NoddinOff » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:31 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:There is nothing wrong with capitalism and the profit motive. In fact, the bulk of humanity is much better off today as compared to the 1800s because of capitalism and markets - http://www.aei.org/publication/perhaps- ... ever-read/
Go for it. Get a business plan together and make some money off your work. I, for one, am willing to pay for your product.
Same here.

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by archangle » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:30 pm

Isn't there one of the GPL flavors that only allows others to recoup the cost of distribution, not make a profit? I seem to remember reading that back when dinosaurs roamed the internet.

I doubt these people will make a significant amount of money on the sale of this stuff, anyway, but it is annoying, I'm sure.

Edit - I'm probably thinking about the requirement to make the source code available at no more than the cost of distribution, not a restriction on charging to distribute the software itself.

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:30 am

Interestingly, the "pirates" are using their own resources to publicize Sleepyhead.
The small number of sales may not be enough to offset their own expenses.
Once knowledge of FREE SLEEPYHEAD gets out, they will have to scuttle the sloop,
and wave goodbye as their hopes of great booty sink to Davy Jones' locker.

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by andycole » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:26 am

Just saw a copy of SH branded under another name selling for 49.95 USD in a European country. Mark, I agree that you should relicense it, even if just for your own sanity. I am now retired IT consultant and those 1000's of lines of code I wrote became the property of my clients. It would upset me, just like you, to see someone marketing any of those programs.

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by stienman » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:34 am

I wasn't sure I should weigh in or not, whatever you do, make sure it's good for your own health.

What I discovered from my own similar experiences is this:

- It caused me more pain and unhappiness to worry about it and react to it than it did to ignore it and move on.

After I realized that going down that path was personally unproductive, and, in fact, hurtful for me, I chose to let things lie and found that there were some positives from the non-ideal situation. The primary positive was that they were reaching people who needed my work who I would not have reached any other way.

I wasn't happy about someone else profiting off my work, and I wasn't happy that people who should have had free access to it had to pay a fee, but in the end I had to admit that I wasn't interested in marketing or advertising it, or doing customer support, and if someone else was, and I had already chosen to make the software free, then who was I helping by making it harder?

Yes, it felt like stealing, but I wasn't in it for the money, I was in it to help people. More people were helped when others latched on to it - even for a profit motive - than were being helped with my limited effort and resources.

As such I would contact the few people who were being successful, remind them that they had to at least document in a link or documentation that their product used open source software, and whether they responded or not or obeyed the license or not, I moved on.

It simply isn't worth the emotional aggravation, and once you start putting up fences you have to defend them, and it becomes so much more a drag on your time and energy.

Again, do what you feel needs to be done for your sake, but I just want to warn you that spending much time or effort on this may actually be the opposite of what you want - you might end up spending more time and energy going down that path than you would simply letting it go, and you might get burned out more quickly fighting these battles than if you let it go.

Regardless, I do appreciate your work, and wish you didn't have to deal with this. It's so disheartening when this happens. Good luck, whatever you choose!

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Post by BlackSpinner » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:13 am

This happened to my friend who used to have an adult website. His stuff was pirated within minutes of being uploaded. He no longer shoots video because the costs of making new videos is more then his income from them.
Yes friends porn is no longer very profitable on the net.

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:51 am

Anything worth paying for will be desired by more people who would prefer to get it free.

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by sangreal » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:35 pm

Is this why the 1.0 beta binary download was removed? I just spent my first night on a CPAP so I was excited to try SleepyHead only to find the snapshot folder empty and I'm on the DreamStation not supported in older versions (to my understanding). Shame (but understandable) if so

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Re: Seriously, this does not make me happy...

Post by jedimark » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:52 pm

sangreal wrote:Is this why the 1.0 beta binary download was removed? I just spent my first night on a CPAP so I was excited to try SleepyHead only to find the snapshot folder empty and I'm on the DreamStation not supported in older versions (to my understanding). Shame (but understandable) if so
Partly... Don't worry, it will be up again soon.

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