General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
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palerider
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by palerider » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:57 pm
well, if you use it, you'd better, because:
Researchers at the Australian government's National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) were tasked with looking at a total of 176 controlled studies into how effective homeopathy is in treating patients with various complaints. The results, published Wednesday, found “no reliable evidence in humans that homeopathy was effective for treating the range of health conditions considered.” ... For some health conditions, a review of the studies showed that homeopathy was no more effective than a placebo, the report said.
and research has shown that placebos work on belief... so, you best
have faith and believe!
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... -work.html
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by sc0ttt » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:59 pm
One of the biggest frauds ever invented.
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by But it's me! » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:24 pm
You mean homeoquackery? The dilutions they scheme up would be funny were it not for it being taken seriously by so many.
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by Oughtsix » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:50 pm
I have seen studies that report homeopathy is just as effective as conventional medicine! My conclusion: they are both a crock!
A hundred years from now they will look back at now and consider it the dark ages. There will be all sorts of stories of quack cures. They won't differentiate between Homeopathy and "Modern Medicine" in retrospect.
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by archangle » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:19 pm
Maybe homeopathy was invented by Darwin.
What pixxes me off is that our scumbag congress allows homeopathic "medicine" to be sold on store shelves right next to real medicine, with no prominent warning that it's homeopathic.
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by Thatgirl » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:23 pm
What do they call alternative medicine that's proven to work?
Medicine.
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by HoseCrusher » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:28 pm
Just a minute now...
When a person is ill, they want to work their way back to health and do so quickly. If a placebo can help them do that, bring it on.
We know that modern medicine ends up killing a lot of people each year. How many people are killed with Homeopathy?
In some cases the ability to engage the persons belief that they can be healed is all that is needed to bring them back to health. While this may be contrary to "evidence based medicine" if the results are that the person ends up healthy then it seems worth looking into. I really don't care how you get well. I simply care that you end up well.
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by chunkyfrog » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:32 pm
Homeopathy is just another word for placebo.
The thing is that placebos have been known to work, ---somewhat,
which is why when they are used as the control in a blind study, some placebos mimic
the known side effects of the drug being tested.
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by Julie » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:33 pm
But the thing is... people go OFF their trad meds thinking quackery can help, and then they die.
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by chunkyfrog » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:40 pm
Some might call that "natural selection".
Stupidity kills, just the way it works.
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palerider
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by palerider » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:42 pm
chunkyfrog wrote:Some might call that "natural selection".
Stupidity kills, just the way it works.
one of my favorite books termed it "evolution in action"
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by ChicagoGranny » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:50 pm
Julie wrote:But the thing is... people go OFF their trad meds thinking quackery can help, and then they die.
Yep. We are watching a friend, age 67, slowly die now. He got hooked up with a homeopathic doctor and fell for her stuff full force. He was on CPAP for 12 years and says now he no longer has sleep apnea. He is as heavy as he ever was. He has to take a two-hour nap every morning after he eats breakfast and he is getting to the point he doesn't go out of the house much. But he does go to that "doctor".
He is also into Kangen (alkaline) water. Goes to their religious meetings and has bugged a lot of his friends into buying the units. Total BS and expensive BS at that.
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by rosacer » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:55 pm
None !! I have better things to do with my money.
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by Julie » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:33 pm
What I said up there - there's been a big story in all the papers for months about an 11 yr old girl who had something like leukemia, and was given a 90% chance of survival if she completed her chemo... lousy as it must have been for her. One day she told her parents she just didn't want to do it anymore and didn't care what resulted, so they took her instead to some quack in Mexico... got the 'treatment', brought her back and she died last week. I wish I could stop thinking about her. Horrendous. Of course it was about more than the quack... whether she had a right to make such a decision for herself, whether her parents (or docs) had the right, etc. etc. but the 'alternative' med thing... if it hadn't been available, would she have gone back on the chemo? Maybe she just needed a break.
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by Captain_Midnight » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:11 pm
Thanks for the opinion and the link (which I did not visit, as I choose to avoid aljezeera).
As a scientist, I'm not a huge fan of homeopathy. IIRC however, I do seem to recall that homeopaths prefer small or minimal dosages of prescriptions, and if that is the case, there might be some merit to that approach for some patients.
I do believe that there is a place for alternative medicine, including the substitution of natural products for Rxs in some cases. (For example, one suspects that big pharma mjust hates fish oil, vitamin D, and magnesium.)
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