Any Reviews of New ResMed AirFit F10

[KenTheriot]

Has anyone tried the new ResMed AirFit F10?

I'm still unable to sleep with my prescribed pressures on ASV and FF mask due to terrible leak problems. Most recently I tried a cloth mask (Anew), still trying to make the Quattro-with-PadaCheek lining and anti-leak strap work, the Amara medium (jaw drops out unless it's painfully tight), and Amara large. No dice. Still leaking at the higher pressures.

I know there are lots more masks out there to try, but I'm starting to exhaust my options. I wish I were rich and could pay someone to make a custom mask for my strange angel-fish head. It's long and narrow and both my chin and forehead slope backward. And my jaw drops down and into my neck when I sleep. I've been a mouth-breather all my life. but I'm not (very) overweight. I don't have the stereotypical thick neck. In fact I've always been a "pencil-neck." I'm 6'-2" and 210 pounds. Sigh.

I know I'm not alone in this whole leak problem. But I keep checking back periodically to see if anyone has discovered anything that could help.

Thanks.

Ken

[EJE]

I don't have an F10 review to offer, but my jaw drops back too. Taping over my mouth with paper tape eliminates my mouth opening so I can use a nasal mask instead of a full-face.

[agribah]

There are some comments of a couple of users who have tried the F10 here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=97310&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

I also tried the F10 for 3 nights, but unfortunately I'll be returning mine. Here are the issues I had with it, and some comparisons with my usual mask, the Quattro.

1. The air dispersal system on this is "noisier" than my Quattro. Noisier in the sense that the tone is distracting when trying to sleep. It's kind of a high pitched whine, as opposed to a more bassy tone from the Quattro.

2. The air dispersal system is in a position where if you sleep with your hands near your face, you will definitely feel the cool air coming out on your hands. Even if you don't sleep with your hands near your face, you will feel a cool blast of air on your face if you turn in slightly towards the pillow. For me, the occasional cool blast of cool air was enough to wake me up.The Quattro vent is higher and directs air up and away from your face, so I've never had this issue with it.

3. The mask leaks around the bridge of my nose if I don't sleep on the very edge of my pillow with the mask hanging off. After some experimenting, I noticed that when you start to relax and sleep with your ear to the pillow, the hooks that attach the mask to the headgear stand out so far from the mask, that they provide leverage that lifts the mask up off the bridge of your nose and off to one side. I tried for hours to remedy this, and found the only solution was to sleep with the mask off the side of the pillow. After thinking about it some, the issue seems like it would be resolved by some forehead support (perhaps the Quattro Air might be a better choice if you don't have an issue with the #1 and #2 above. They both use the same cushion and same headgear attachment hooks.)

I hate to give the mask a completely negative review, but coming from the Quattro, my standards were pretty high. On a positve note though, the mask is VERY light. It's very compact, and if bulkiness is your main complaint against other masks, you may want to still try it out.

This is just my experience with it. I'm a relatively new CPAP patient (2 years), so keep that in mind before you decide not to try out this mask.

[Cokomo]

Have had the F10 for 6 days . Have tried most ffm's, settling on the Quattro FX for 2 years. Have gotten Ahi under 1 with much adjusting. Always use Pad-ACheek. Leaks are not bad. Sleep 3.5-5 hours per night...Not by design. Wake up with neck pain about 2 days a week.

The F10 is my new mask and here's why. The headgear is so much more comfortable than the QFX. It allows for normal vision. It's much lighter. It's much quieter. The air vent is different but not a problem for me. The leak rate and Ahi rate are the same. I awoke yesterday and said to myself, wow, I didnt put my mask on ...felt my face and it was on.... Today clinched it for me .... Slept 7:16 hrs.

If you are currently using the QFX , the F10 headgear will fit. I tried it but had some neck pain ....none so far with the F10.

QFX users should really give the F10 a try.

Many here want to compare every mask to the Quattro with the forehead strap ... I couldn't use the Quattro because it ripped up my nose and I despise anything on forehead. Comparing the Quattro to the F10 is like comparing a bus to a Mini Cooper imo.

[KenTheriot]

Thanks guys. Good info.

I don't have an issue with bulkiness, strap irritation, mask noise, something on my forehead, etc. I can sleep through any of that. What I CAN'T sleep through is leaks.

The only issue I have is leaks. The only reason I was able to sleep through the night during my ASV titration was that they only had a medium Amara, and I cranked it down super tight because my jaw was falling out of it at first. It stayed on due to how tight it was, but I looked (and felt) like someone had beaten me up for almost a week afterward. all around my nose and cheeks was red and sore, especially the bridge of my nose. So clearly, that is not a good long-term plan.

I tried the large Amara (I now have both and the DMS won't take them back. It feels like such a waste), but though my chin doesn't drop out of it as easily, it leaks - of course.

I have a hybrid mask from several years ago. That seemed pretty great at first. But even with my APAP, the nasal pillows simply shot of my nose. And then the core reason for my not being able to use FFM with APAP kicked in, which is that my centrals completely shut down my breathing and I can't start up again. It's like I'm stuck in between both and nose breathing and my soft palate doesn't know what to do so it freaks out. THAT was the whole reason for the ASV.

And as a reminder, the reason that nasal masks/nasal pillows are not reliable for me is my nasal/sinus problems. I'm working with my allergist and ENT to have yet another turbinate reduction. I've had 2 septo-plasty/turbinate reduction surgeries in the past 10 years, and my new ENT says neither one really cleared out enough breathing space. So I'm on his waiting list. and I'm not holding out a lot of hope for the results since the previous two failed so completely.

ANY-HOO, that is why I am in search of just the right ASV/FFM combo solution.

Cheers!

Ken

[Jay Aitchsee]

Ken, I haven't tried the F10 but I have tried the Quattro Air FFM which uses the same cushion as the F10. I found I could not contol the leaks of the QAir around my nose. Have you tried the F&P Simplus, yet? For me, it is the best performing full face mask I have tried. Not perfect, but better then most with low leaks and little noise.

[Cokomo]

Ken, I haven't tried the F10 but I have tried the Quattro Air FFM which uses the same cushion as the F10. I found I could not contol the leaks of the QAir around my nose. Have you tried the F&P Simplus, yet? For me, it is the best performing full face mask I have tried. Not perfect, but better then most with low leaks and little noise.

I had to return the Quattro Air because the leaks were so bad. Have had no leak problems with the F10.

[SleepDisturbed]

I tried it this past week, but I am sending it back because of massive leaks.

I normally use nasal pillows and chin strap, but keep a Quattro FX for allergy seasons, and I can get along with that ok, but the F10 is NOT for me.

In addition to the leak problem, the circular venting is, in my opinion, a bad idea. It is always blowing on me somewhere.

I thought Resmed was going to adapt the air diffusion technique on the P10 (which is wonderful!) for the other "Airfit" masks but they didn't.

On the upside the mask is lite, the headgear is comfortable, it is easy to take apart and clean, so it is not all bad.

[NYcpap]

With the Airfit P10 nasal pillow mask, I find that I wake up through the night starving for air. The vent is so subtle and slight, I wonder if I am rebreathing the same air. Has anyone else had the same experience?

[Pugsy]

With the Airfit P10 nasal pillow mask, I find that I wake up through the night starving for air. The vent is so subtle and slight, I wonder if I am rebreathing the same air. Has anyone else had the same experience?

What pressure are you using?
What size nasal pillow are you using?
I had some instances of waking up with the nasal pillow sort of sucked into my nostril a little bit and feeling like it was collapsed and no air movement. This was with the XSmall and I when I changed it to the Small it didn't happen anymore. I think it sealed too well and sort of created a vacuum like effect causing the walls of the pillow to feel like they were collapsed. I big inhale would definitely do it. I could trigger it on purpose. No more issues after I changed sizes.
Also..if you are using a rather low pressure to start with the stifling feeling can be accentuated by any nasal pillow mask but this one maybe a little more.

[flyingcow]

With the Airfit P10 nasal pillow mask, I find that I wake up through the night starving for air. The vent is so subtle and slight, I wonder if I am rebreathing the same air. Has anyone else had the same experience?

This might be more appropriate for a new thread (if it is, I apologize to the moderators). I had to give up the P10 for the very same reason. I'm not 100% sure what was causing it, but I've narrowed it down to two possibilities. Either the absence of adjustment on the headgear forced the pillows into my nose so hard they collapsed (I can and do wear my Swift FX much looser), or the immense amount of condensation in the mask was affecting the vent. There was water all over the vent area every time I woke up.

I made the switch to the Swift FX, and haven't had a problem since. I think I'm going to try the ear loops soon to see if I can get things even better.

For Reference: AutoPaP 8-18 cm. It usually doesn't get above 11 cm.

[Loreena]

With the Airfit P10 nasal pillow mask, I find that I wake up through the night starving for air. The vent is so subtle and slight, I wonder if I am rebreathing the same air. Has anyone else had the same experience?

I had to stop using it for the exact same reason. ResMed REALLY needs to make a version with NORMAL venting. Please!!

[flyingwithoutwings]

Has anyone tried the new ResMed AirFit F10? Ken

I've been using a nasal mask (Wisp & Mirage FX) for the 7 months that I've been on xPAP but for the past few weeks I've been waking up with extremely dry mouth. My DME suggested I try a FFM and gave me the Airfit F10. I LOVE it. I've only had it for 3 nights. The first night my leaks were way high but I've adjusted the straps and the leaks are minor. This is my first FFM so I have nothing to compare it with but so far I'm happy with it.

[echo]

I use a pap-cap to keep my jaw from dropping at night, and that helps with leaks.

I haven't tried either the Air or the F10 yet but would like to!

[9forus]

I have been using the F10 for the past 2 nights. I absolutely LOVE it. Great fit, no leaks, so much lighter and more comfortable than the Quattro mirage I was using. I think this is the one I will be sticking with. I have another 12 days to be sure.