Different Pressure Testing Results - At Last

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Different Pressure Testing Results - At Last

Post by mars » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:18 pm

Hi Everybody

Since I started on cpap therapy in March I have been keeping a daily log of my results.This log includes data from the lcd display on my machine, data downloaded to my computer and analysed by the Sandman 1.4 software, Also data on mask, beard getting longer, how I feel in the morning, the world situation and what I want for Christmas.

When I first started I was too brain frazzled to write a Microsoft Access program, which is why I chose to do a hand written log. I now think I would prefer my log because writing makes me pay more attention to the figures, and I can easily change the criteria.

I use a ledger type analysis book. On the left page is my lcd data, the most important of which is the duration of using the machine. The AHi on the lcd does not include centrals, but the software analysis does include centrals. The night is divided into machine usage sessions, and I note the start time, the end time, and the duration. And then the total for the night. This is a total of machine usage, not how long I have been asleep.

The left side is mainly used by me to keep track of my sleep hygiene; when I put the mask on and start the machine, and for how long. I need to get to bed earlier, and possibly sleep longer. AHi is not a concern, as you will see.

The right side I have 90% pressure, maximum pressure, average pressure, average leaks, obstructive AHi, central AHi and total AHi. This would differ from most machines, as the Sandman gives a value for centrals. For me the most important values are average pressure, average leaks, and obstructive and central AHi. Average leaks tells me when I need to trim my beard. Average pressure (over many different pressure settings) gives me a good idea for working out the best starting pressure for apap.

Now there are a fair number of variables in all this, but each pressure or range of pressures was tested between 7 and 10 days. The figures below reflect the average taken from those 7-10 (sometimes 20) days. Average mask time over the last 50 days has been 6 hours 32 minutes. I do not use Pressure Command on IFL. I was titrated at 11cms.

I cannot show all the variables, so have restricted myself to the following - pressure, obstructive AHi, central AHi and total AHi which with the Sandman includes centrals.

I did have a close look at clusters, but decided it was not necessary because I test each pressure at least once with a night on my oximeter. I have never desaturated whilst on the machine. So although I sometimes see events (2 or 3 within a 5 minute period) the machine is stopping further events which would lead to desaturation.

The fact that I know I never desaturate is a source of great satisfaction to me. I love my oximeter.

So here is my analysis of the last 8 months, with different pressure settings. Some pressures have been tested more than once.

I will start with cpap -

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Pressure             Obs AHi          Cnt AHi         Total AHi

11.0                     1.3                  1.2                 2.5
11.5                     1.2                  1.3                 2.5
12.0                     1.6                  0.8                 2.4
12.0                     1.6                  1.7                 3.3

then we move to apap -

Pressure             Obs AHi          Cnt AHi         Total AHi

09.0 to 13.0          1.3                  1.3                 2.6
09.5 to 13.0          1.5                  1.5                 3.0
10.0 to 13.0          1.5                  1.3                 2.8
10/5 to 12.5          1.6                  1.4                 3.0
10.5 to 13.5          1.1                  1.5                 2.6
11.0 to 12.5          1.3                  0.9                 2.2
11.0 to 13.0          1.2                  1.0                 2.2
11.0 to 13.0          1.5                  1.3                 2.8
11.0 to 13.5          0.9                  1.1                 2.0
11.0 to 14.0          1.2                  1.6                 2.8
11.0 to 14.5          1.4                  1.7                 3.1
11.5 to 13.5          1.6                  1.4                 3.0
11.5 to 14.0          1.4                  1.6                 3.0
So there we have it. My first conclusion is that cpap therapy is pretty robust, and we do not have to get things exactly right to get good results. For me, there is very little difference between good cpap therapy and good auto therapy. I could easily live with either.

As you can see, the higher the highest pressure, the more centrals I get. So finding the balance between low obstructive AHi and not initiating a higher central AHi is probably a good idea, but within the above wide range just about every combination is good.

Yes, I will go for the best. But for a backup machine I will probably get myself a cpap, and save myself some money. And I may experiment further. The lowest obstructive AHi I have recorded was 0.3 over 6.5 hours on 29/30 November with 11.0 to 13.5 pressure.

I am not claiming any ultimate truths in all this. It is really just me messing about. However, feedback would be welcome.

And I hope it will give some confidence to those who are unnecessarily wary of changing their pressure.

cheers

Mars
Last edited by mars on Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:48 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Different Pressure Testing Results - At Last

Post by DoriC » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:42 pm

BB, I'll try to remember the chain of events. Hubby was titrated at 13cms so following the advice on this forum I used the 2 below,2 above formula to start auto(11-15) with Aflex=2. Lots of leaks, sore noses, sleepless nights and AHIs all over the place. We quickly realized that Aflex and Cflex didn't match his breathing patterns so we eventually turned that Off once he got used to the pressure and changed masks. AHI gradually came down but we were still battling leaks so the numbers were pretty meaningless. We also realized that the pressure changes were disturbing his sleep. Finally Den convinced us to try cpap at 12 or 13. Mike could not tolerate the straight pressure at 13 but finally adjusted to 12 and got the leak rate down to acceptable levels with good AHIs and that's where we were for many months. Being somewhat "neurotic" I always wanted to see if he could sleep at a lower pressure , and wanting to try the Auto again. So last month we set auto at a very narrow range of 11-13 and he's doing very well sleeping most of the night at 11 with occasional spike to 12 and very rarely to 13. AHI's between 0.5-1.7. I don't know why it should make a difference but that 1cm lower pressure seems to be more comfortable for him and the slight changes in pressure when he needs it don't bother him but I think it would have if we tried it earlier.

Mars, Very interesting results and much more precise but I think it confirms what I was "trying" to say in my post today to BleepingBeauty. Once you've got the pressure dialed in correctly and won the battle of leaks with the best mask, cpap does it's job in either mode. Thanks, Dori

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