Cover with heated tube?

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Cover with heated tube?

Post by blacknebula » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:05 am

Is it ok to use a hose cover when you have a heated tube or would that be a fire hazard?

I had the whole humidity/temp thing nicely figured out but then raised my pressure a wee bit and was getting the eh-hmmms the next day. Raised humidity, which solved throat issue, but got rain out again. Raised tube temp as high as it can go - still have rainout. Night-time bedroom temperature around 17C/62F and increasing it not something I want to do (despite interesting conversation in another thread about apnea effect on reproductive systems, APAP has not changed frequency or intensity of hot flashes!).

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Re: Cover with heated tube?

Post by Pugsy » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:13 am

You can safely use a hose cover/cozy on a heated hose. No fire hazard. All it does is insulate the hose so that the hose doesn't have to heat up as much to maintain the selected temperature. The hose still won't necessarily heat up beyond the selected temp though.

What temperature are you using on your heated hose?
And does your mask model involve a short hose from the heated hose to your mask?
And where is the condensation happening at...is it in the hose or the mask cushion itself...and which mask?

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Re: Cover with heated tube?

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:16 am

Since Resmed sells a cover for THEIR heated hose, I would imagine it is OK.
Theirs, third party, or home made--probably all equal. Go for it.

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Re: Cover with heated tube?

Post by blacknebula » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:36 am

Pugsy wrote: What temperature are you using on your heated hose?
30C/86F
Pugsy wrote: And does your mask model involve a short hose from the heated hose to your mask?
No, one hose from the machine attaches directly to the mask.
Pugsy wrote: And where is the condensation happening at...is it in the hose or the mask cushion itself...and which mask?
At the mask cushion. Eson 2 nasal mask.

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Re: Cover with heated tube?

Post by Pugsy » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:03 am

You can try a hose cover/cozy but it's not going to make the hose air temp all that much (if any) warmer than the 86 degrees which is of course the max.

Probably what is happening is the combination of the humidity coming into the mask along with the moisture in your own exhaled breath is tipping the scales due to the ambient room temp cooling the air in the mask to the point of releasing the moisture.
Warmer air holds on to the water more than cooler air.

So we have 86 degree air entering the mask and the room air affecting the temperature of the air in the mask itself. Obviously we need either warmer air in the mask or room temp not cooling that mask air so much.

So you have several options one of which you already nixed...higher bedroom temps and I don't blame you there.
You could maybe reduce the humidity coming in from the humidifier if your nose is okay with less moisture but I have known of people not using any humidifier at all and getting condensation in the mask simply from the moisture in their own exhaled breath. So reducing the humidity setting doesn't always reduce the condensation for some people.

Some masks have little cozies like the barrel cozy that can help that air from the mask from cooling down.
http://www.padacheek.com/PACSwiftII_Barrel_cozy.html
I don't know of such a thing for the ESON though but maybe a mask liner would absorb some of the moisture so it is less likely to annoy you and wake you up.
Or if you could fix up some sort of little coat for the ESON (but be careful to not block the vent holes) and make a cozy for the ESON.

How much condensation are we talking about here? Waking you up often? Cold shower out the vent holes? Or just dampness on your nose when you wake up.

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Re: Cover with heated tube?

Post by blacknebula » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:11 am

Pugsy wrote:Or if you could fix up some sort of little coat for the ESON (but be careful to not block the vent holes) and make a cozy for the ESON.
Cool idea. I'm reasonably adept with sewing - probably have some fleece and Velcro laying about that I could experiment with. :)
Pugsy wrote:How much condensation are we talking about here? Waking you up often? Cold shower out the vent holes? Or just dampness on your nose when you wake up.
Dampness on the nose when I wake up. I do wake up multiple times per night (which is why I raised the pressure - some but not all of them seemed to be associated with the machine rising from the min of 5 to where I usually sit at 7-8) but I'm down to 3-4 times instead of 6-8 so if it means a bit of dampness I guess I'll just deal with it!