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Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by corky on Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:22 pm

I use a implant with a remote. (Soon)

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by Lizistired on Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:08 pm

chap charlie wrote:I have periods of intense sleepiness during "waking hours," mostly, but not exclusively, in the evening hours. I use my CPAP regularly every night. I am sleepy during the day whether I have gotten four hours sleep or nine hours sleep.

You could register and list your equipment and someone would probably offer you some help.

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by chap charlie on Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:58 pm

I have periods of intense sleepiness during "waking hours," mostly, but not exclusively, in the evening hours. I use my CPAP regularly every night. I am sleepy during the day whether I have gotten four hours sleep or nine hours sleep.

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by seanx on Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:41 am

The topic is good. I have used FFM successfully and now using nasal pillows with more success.

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by Paul56 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:29 pm

I have used FFM successfully and now using nasal pillows with more success.

The only reason I may be tired is that I'm old and we old folks get tired faster
than you youngin's, that I may stay up too late and that I might be carrying a little
extra weight around that is unnecessary. I'm actively working on reducing the later.

Taking a 50 lb sack of potatoes and lugging it around with you everywhere during
the day will provide some measure of how tiring that will be... not that you or I
need to lose 50 lbs. :lol:

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by Kairosgrammy on Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:54 am

My sleeping is a lot better. Idon't take ambien anymore. I still have insomnia off and on and so on occassion, I'm still tired.

williamco wrote:OSA can be caused by one of three reasons: 1- soft palate 2- oropharynx (throat) 3- tongue

I am having an idea that CPAP might not be able to fully correct obstruction that is caused by tongue, for these reasons:

1-soft palate and throat are thin easy to push tissues by high pressure, the base of the tongue is the thickest component in the throat

2- the aerodynamic of pressured air going down in the throat, might push soft palate away (backward in mouth air delivery, or forward in nasal air delivery) and push throat backward in either path of air delivery , but tongue is the only component that relaxes downward during sleep so it needs to be pushed upward, no pressured air going down the throat can push the tongue upward in opposite direction of the air pathway, this is against physics, however CPAP can only work in this case by creating more space in the throat soft tissue by the pressured air but no direct impact on the tongue

However only mouth air delivery can push the back of the throat a bit more, because air is going in straight direction at back of the throat, opening more space for the relaxed tongue.
this aerodynamic can't happen with nasal air delivery as the air going down not hitting the back of the throat in a straight head on direction, yes transmitting pressure all around but in not as much as direct hit

Further more air going down (nasal delivery) might push the tongue down even further, while air going backward (mouth delivery) will not be in line of the tongue relaxation path, and will not push it further down, as air is bouncing off the back of the throat into trachea, might even push tongue forward.

the bottom line, I need to check if aerodynamic of nasal air delivery versus mouth air delivery inside the throat, has any impact of those people who are still tired. knowing that it might be many factors involved, so the poll might help to shed light by showing the percentage of usage in this group.

Thanks for participation

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by sherri on Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:09 am

Wow where were you when I started cpap years ago, i just figured out for sure by ct of sinus that I have deviated septum, turbinates huge and small jaw. So found a new ENT 50 miles from home and guess what I can breath now. Plus he does tongue coblation cost on that was 500.00

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Post by secret agent girl on Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:32 pm

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Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by torontoCPAPguy on Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:31 am

Oh, gotta say, use a FFM and sleep like a log. Can never get enough sleep but when I get up am full of pep.

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by torontoCPAPguy on Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:30 am

If you are not using a full face mask you are simply a sissy and don't appreciate the comforts of smooshing your face into a soft pillow. Asides from which recents studies have shown that nasal fixtures cause you to swallow more air and fart more, although I am sure for those of you on nasal contraptions that does not present a problem.

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by nobody on Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:48 pm

williamco wrote:
However only mouth air delivery can push the back of the throat a bit more, because air is going in straight direction at back of the throat, opening more space for the relaxed tongue.
this aerodynamic can't happen with nasal air delivery as the air going down not hitting the back of the throat in a straight head on direction, yes transmitting pressure all around but in not as much as direct hit

Further more air going down (nasal delivery) might push the tongue down even further, while air going backward (mouth delivery) will not be in line of the tongue relaxation path, and will not push it further down, as air is bouncing off the back of the throat into trachea, might even push tongue forward.

the bottom line, I need to check if aerodynamic of nasal air delivery versus mouth air delivery inside the throat, has any impact of those people who are still tired. knowing that it might be many factors involved, so the poll might help to shed light by showing the percentage of usage in this group.

Thanks for participation



Actually I find that the nasal mask is a bit better for keeping my airway open. There seems to be around 1 or 1.5cm difference between the nasal mask and the full face mask in my personal experience (with the nasal mask allowing more pressure). When I use just the nasal mask I sometimes turn the machine down by 1cm otherwise I swallow a lot of air. I still get similar (and often better) results from the nasal mask. The only reason I use the FFM is because I find it more comfortable.

Also, I was still very tired over a year into my CPAP therapy. It turns out I was experiencing other health issues and now that those are resolved I feel great whether I use the nasal mask or the FFM. My AHI is consistently below 2 and often below 1.

If you're still tired, I'd bet you need to adjust the machine or you need to check into other health problems.

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by nobody on Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:36 pm

hannah01 wrote:Wow! A flame war about sleep apnea!? :shock:


Seems crazy doesn't it!? :lol: I guess lack of good sleep makes people cranky!

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by jabman on Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:15 pm

I just want to say that Sleep Apnea Ia all in your head. :lol:

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by hannah01 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:14 pm

Wow! A flame war about sleep apnea!? :shock:

FWIW, I can relate to catnapper's experience. I was also a mouth breather (asthma, allergies, severe apnea and slightly deviated septum.) I use the Swift FX nasal pillows and find my mouth seems to automatically seal shut allowing unhindered breathing through the nose. In fact, just opening my mouth is enough to startle me awake and remind me to close it. I've been on CPAP for about a month now and while not really getting a huge energy boost like I hoped for, my mind is clearer and I'm not as tired in the afternoons. Hopefully I will continue to improve over time. So I would say that in my experience, the pressure does push the tongue into a normal, relaxed position and keeps it from obstructing my airway.

Re: for all people who are still tired despite using CPAP, poll

Post by sunnyway on Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:40 pm

Have you had fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome ruled out? The CFS has been the source of my continued fatigue. I started taking Nuvigil about three weeks about and its made a tremendous difference. :)

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